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by urutur on April 20, 2007
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I am trying to get some information on snakebites that have happened in ohio in the past few years.
Some of the bites were fatal and some turned out good.
I would like to know where or who I could contact to find out when the bites happened and what type of snakes they were.
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by JHarrison on April 20, 2007
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You can get in big trouble for giving out to much info on a patient. So your best bet is to look thru newspapers for info available to the public. No one involved in treating a patient can give out any information except if it is general knowledge.
There were two deaths in the last couple years (a Bitis and a Bothrops). Also there were several envenomation that needed antivenom treatment.
Since I reviewed most of these bites or provided antivenom thats all I can say about the subject.
Jim Harrison
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by urutur on April 21, 2007
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I have read in the newspapers of a few snakebites in the Dayton and Columbus area and it mentioned the type of snake and where the person was taken.
I am "NOT" asking "WHO" the person was that was bitten, just what type of snake and where is OHIO.
I would like to find know which snakes are causing fatalities and where in Ohio would be the best place to be if bitten,
Which parts of Ohio have the best facilities to take care of and get the right antivenom in a hurry if needed.
I read someplace that Toledo, Ohio had good care for snake bites.
I also read in the newspaper that (2) people died in Cincinnati so I assume Cincinnati would not be the best place to go if bitten because they probably couldn't get the right antivenom in time.
I have read on this site that you do not want to go to certain hospitals because of the lack of experience and must assume this to be the case in Cincinnati.
Like I said above, I am not looking for names just trying to find out what type of snakes are causing most of the problems and where your best chances of survival if bitten.
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by JHarrison on April 21, 2007
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First Cincinnati has a very good snakebite doctor (Dr. Otten at UC)that has treated many envenomations (including several of my accidents). More then any other doctor in Ohio.
As far as antivenom it is up to the keeper to have their own. Hospitals do not keep exotic antivenom on hand. Zoo's only keep what they need for their collection plan. So if they don't have Bothrops or Bitis they probably do not have antivenom for those snakes.
The victims that died both did not have their own antivenom ( The Bothrops bite was in an area that banned venomous and the keeper was maintaining them illegally). One was given Cro fab for a Bothrops bite but this was not done by Dr Otten at UC. The other had a delay of over an hour recieving antivenom that was shipped from Cincinnati Zoo leading to organ damage and then death. In both cases the keepers lack of knowledge of snakebite lead to their deaths.
Snakebite is rare and doctors may get a short course in college on it. But may never see a bite until a keeper shows up at the hospital. That is why venomous keepers should have their own antivenom and protocol.
If it takes more then 1 hour to locate and obtain antivenom then the victim may not recover. This is not the the doctors fault.
Jim Harrison
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by tj on April 21, 2007
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The snakes in question were an urutu and a rhino viper.
If you have access to AV, or don't get bit, then your chances for survival are pretty good.
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by jparker1167 on April 21, 2007
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from what i heard the guy in Cincinnati that got bit by the rhino was free handling while drunk and decied to ride it out and didnt go to the hosptial until the next day.
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by urutur on April 21, 2007
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That is what I read in the Dayton newspaper.
I think he was the fireman that got bit.
I also found out the girl in Cincinnati just lived 5 minutes from the Mercy Hospital and that is why she went there first.
They also said they didn't have the expertise for snake bites and transfered her to the University hospital within a half hour.
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by JHarrison on April 21, 2007
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Having been involved after the fact in both cases. I can not talk about any info not in the news. The fireman was bitten by a Bitis nasicornis and recieved aid from the fire house down the street from his house with in minutes of his bite. Recieved first antivenom at Miami Valley Hospital that came from Cin. Zoo at 1 hour post bite. This case lead to Dayton ,Ohio banning all exotics.
Like all stories the truth may be some where in between. These are the facts the public has been given by the family and fire dept.
The young lady was bitten by a Bothrops alternatus and did not have her own antivenom or protocol. Plus she was keeping venomous snakes in an area where it was illegal. In this case there is enough blame to go around for the keeper and medical staff.
Jim Harrison
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