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by urutur on April 23, 2007
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I know for a fact that as soon as she was bitten, she called her freind in Florida who is in this business.
She asked him to call the hospital right away which is about 1/2 mile from where she lived.
Before she got there, he had already talked with a Doctor and told the what kind of snake it was and what they would have to do.
No, she didn't have a written protocol, like a lot of ER's, they probably would have told her they knew what they were doing.
I think she did the best by having her freind call who they couldn't push off like she didn't know what she was talking about.
He also told them to call Miami-Dade right away as they had the right antivenom for this snake and could have had it there in a couple of hours.
Yes, the snake was illegal but that doesn't stop the hospital giving anyone the best possible care.
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by JHarrison on April 23, 2007
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If he knew the right antivenom then he knew that it was available alot closer then Miami-Dade. Cin. Zoo maintains antivenom for Bothrops as we do also.
An animal dealer in Florida that sales snakes to a person when it is illegal is not going to be taken serious by doctors or law enforcement.
By the time the antivenom would have arrived (from Miami-Dade) the organ damage that took her life still would have occur.
A delay of 1 hour can lead to organ damage.
Again doctors need to call Poision Control or in this case Dr. Otten not an animal dealer. The biggest part of a protocol is having doctors that are aware of what you have and being willing to treat you.
Sorry for your lose but we have to take responsiblity for our own actions. The action of owning a venomous snake (without having antivenom)was the main factor in the death.
I have been trying to anwser your questions but you are looking for someone to blame. Like I stated to lawyers that contacted us about the case both sides share the blame.
Jim Harrison
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by urutur on April 23, 2007
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First off, her freind in Florida did not sell this snake. I found out she purchased it somewhere in Pa.
He called Miami-Dade in Florida to confirm they had the right antivenom and passed this information to the hospital here if they could not get it locally.
I would think it would be the responsibilty of the hospital to call th PC or the Zoo.
Apparantly, you were wrong about the Zoo having the antivenom, the hospital could only find the Cro-Fab locally.
Why they didn't call Maimi-Dade or someplace closer, I do not know.
They did the best they could at the time and used the Cro-Fab which I understand would help for a short while and would have given them time to get the correct antivenom.
They could have had it in a short while but there seemed to be since of urgency.
I know she has some blame but it really sounds like someone dropped the ball once she got to the hospital until someone can convince me otherwise.
Why didn't the ER call Dr. Otten? Didn't they know who their local expert on staff was?
I am not trying to put blame on anyone locally, I am just trying to find out if everything possible was done to see she got the right treatment.
If they tried everything possible and she still died, then I would say they did the best the could but I am not getting the right answers.
It sounds like, accidents like this are not common and unless an expert is not on hand there should be some written procedure that would give step by step what they should do, such as like you said, call PC or check to see if they have an expert on staff to could call.
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by JHarrison on April 23, 2007
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Cin. Zoo had antivenom at the time. We import for several zoo's including Cin. Zoo. That at the time had Bothrops alternatus and other Bothrops.
All animals went to Cin. Zoo and the animal dealer claimed that they were on breeding loan to get them back. The animals are still at Cin. Zoo.
I am not sure who is giving you info but they are way off the mark.
A mamba bite in Florida took over 4 hours for antivenom to arrive from Miami- Dade . There is no way that it would have made it to Cin. Ohio in 2 hours.
Not even if we shipped it from Kentucky would it arrive before 1 hour. At which time organ damage had occurred .
If you would like to discuss this further . I believe it would be best to do so off line. Feel free to call me at 606-663-9160.
Jim Harrison
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by urutur on April 23, 2007
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Thank you, you are probably more accurate on the time from Miami.
I was guessing on the flight time from Miami.
As far as the other information, it was given to me by people who know. I can not give any names at this time.
The reason the person in Fl. wanted the snakes because they were in ours will.
I will give you a call as I can not say much more, but what you have told me is not what the hospital told us.
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