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Texas herpers get shafted by dirty politics-HB1309
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by venom on June 1, 2007
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It may have failed, but through abuse of power it got passed by being tacked onto another bill. Doesn't matter if it was defeated before, they snuck it through on us.
"The end result is that a ban on collecting Reptiles and Amphibians from public roads and right of ways that was defeated in the House and killed in the Senate by committee delays, was snuck into another bill via riders and passed into law assuming signature by the Governor. "
check out http://www.logojoe.com/ for the details
PLEASE call the dirty politician- HARVEY HILDERBRAN and politely and professionally let him know what you think! Capitol Phone: (512) 463-0536
THIS LAW MAKES ROAD CRUISING ILLEGAL!
And yet they make an exclusion for catching Raptors???!!
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RE: Texas herpers get shafted by dirty politics-HB
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by Cro on June 1, 2007
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Larry, it it a truely bad day when they try to outlaw road-crusing for reptiles in Texas!
I sure hope your Governor Rick Perry has Line-Item Veto Power !
And I sure hope that the great folks of Texas will flood the offices of the Governor, and the honest Representatives, and the crooked Representatives with their views on this issue.
Has Texas organized an TXARK or similar orginization to unite all the herpers of Texas yet?
Wish you the best of luck on this fight !
Best Regards JohnZ
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PLEASE get your facts straight Chicken Little
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by LordViperTX on June 1, 2007
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(I apologize, in advance, to the moderators)
Okay...I hate when people post in all caps, and I'm sorry to come off so rudely, but I just finished straightening this out the last time it was discussed, as people were insisting that it failed in the House when it actually passed. Now the bullshit and disinformation is flowing again as this one did fail and people are all saying it passed...so I am going to have to raise my voice so you kids will listen...
HB 1309 FAILED. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HUNTING FROM THE ROADSIDE, BUT WAS FOCUSED ON PERMITTING FOR KEEPERS.
THE ONE THAT PASSED WAS A DIFFERENT BILL, HB 2414, THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THE COLLECTION OF REPTILES FROM THE ROADWAY, AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH PERMITTING FOR KEEPERS.
HB 1309 FAILED
AGAIN
HB 1309 FAILED
NOW SAY IT WITH ME
HB 1309 FAILED
WE DON'T HAVE TO GET PERMITS YET.
I'M SURE THEY WILL TRY AGAIN NEXT YEAR.
YES, RIDING HB 2414 IN ON THE TAIL OF ANOTHER UNRELATED BILL, BUT IT WAS NOT HB 1309.
HB1309 FAILED
MY GOD YOU GUYS CAN TWIST THINGS.
I HAVE A RESPECTABLE COLLECTION, AND AM NOT IN FAVOR OF PERMITTING, BUT RATHER POLICING OURSELVES.
HB 1309 FAILED
I SPOKE AGAINST IT. YOU CAN SEE ME DOING SO HERE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds3Ew8tmBx0
I WENT TO AUSTIN TWICE TO FIGHT IT.
I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED HEAVILY SINCE THE GET GO.
NOW, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, LET IT GO.
HB 1309 FAILED
If you don't know what you are talking about, please don't play Chicken Little and run around telling everyone the sky is falling.
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by MoccasinMan on June 1, 2007
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Kerry is right from what i can tell. It is complicated with so many bills floating around and so many upset people going crazy. 1309 is dead, but read this:
A SUMMARY OF LEGISLATIVE ABUSE ORCHESTRATED BY
REPRESENTATIVE HARVEY HILDERBRAN DISTRICT 53
PASS THIS ON TO EVERY TEXAN YOU KNOW
ESPECIALLY THOSE IN DISTRICT 53HB 2414 was introduced in the House with language that would have banned collection of reptiles and amphibians on public roads and right of ways in Texas. Numerous objections and concerns were raised about this ban, and hundreds, or perhaps thousands of concerned Texans wrote letters, called the Capitol, and sent e-mails in opposition to the bill. As a result, the House Representative Tracy King District 80 sponsored an amendment to HB 2414 with text favorable to our hobby. The amended version of HB 2414 was then passed unanimously by the House. Due to time constraints, or more likely pressure from Representative Harvey Hilderbran at the end of the session, HB 2414 then died in the Senate without a vote. HB 12, an unrelated bill, passed the House and Senate but had to go to a conference committee to resolve differences between the House and Senate version. Neither the senate or house version of HB 12 had any of the HB 2414 text at that time. According to the Guide to Texas Legislative Information (GTLI):
A conference committee's charge is limited to reconciling
differences between the two chambers, and the committee,
unless so directed, may not alter, amend, or omit text that
is not in disagreement. Nor may the committee add text on any
matter that is not in disagreement or that is not included in
either version of the bill in question. Representative Harvey Hilderbran got around this limitation by authoring, introducing and passing HR 2912 in the House of Representatives and getting State Senator Craig Estes (R-Wichita Falls) to author, introduce, and pass SR 1195 in the State Senate. HR 2912 and SR 1195 gave the Conference Committee on HB 12 permission to add the pre-amendment version of HB 2414, despite the fact that this text was defeated via amendment in the House and was never voted on in the Senate, by stating the following:
(9) House Rule 13, Section 9, is suspended to permit the
committee to amend Subchapter A, Chapter 62, Parks and Wildlife
Code, by adding Section 62.0031 to read as follows:
Sec. 62.0031. HUNTING FROM PUBLIC ROAD OR RIGHT-OF-WAY
PROHIBITED. (a) Except as provided by Subsection (b), a person may
not hunt a wild animal or bird when the person is on a public road or
right-of-way.
(b) This section does not apply to the trapping of a raptor
for educational or sporting purposes as provided by Chapter 49.
Explanation: The change is necessary to prohibit certain
persons from hunting a wild animal or bird when the person is on a
public road or right-of-way.[/list] The Conference Committee on HB 12, chaired by Harvey Hilderbran and Craig Estes then drafted the Conference Committee Report that drastically changed HB 12. The revised bill was then pushed through the House and Senate in the end of session rush. The end result is that a ban on collecting Reptiles and Amphibians from public roads and right of ways that was defeated in the House and killed in the Senate by committee delays, was snuck into another bill via riders and passed into law assuming signature by the Governor. These actions by Hilderbran and Estes thwarted the intent the Texas House, ignored the inaction of the Senate, and blindsided thousands of Texas hobbyist and sportsmen to push the agenda of Representative Harvey Hilderbran. WHY SHOULD YOU CARE?
Because this is a clear and blatant abuse of the legislative process in Texas and it illustrates how an unethical Legislator can push through an unfavorable agenda. WHAT CAN YOU DO ABOUT IT?
Send a message.
1) Let our Legislators know that these types of abuses will not be tolerated.
2) Campaign against Representative Harvey Hilderbran and Senator Craig Estes.
3) Call their offices and voice your displeasure.
4) Forward this Web Page to EVERY Texan you know.
5) E-mail a link to this page to every single contact in your address book.
6) Call Governor Rick Perry CALL GOVERNOR RICK PERRY AND URGE HIM TO VETO HB 12 BECAUSE OF REPRESENTAITVE HARVEY HILDERBRAN'S MISCONDUCT
Telephone
Citizen's Assistance Hotline: (800) 843-5789
[for Texas callers]
Citizen's Opinion Hotline: (800) 252-9600
[for Texas callers]
Citizen's Assistance and Opinion Hotline: (512) 463-1782
[for Austin, Texas and out-of-state callers]
Office of the Governor Main Switchboard: (512) 463-2000
[office hours are 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. CST]
Citizen's Assistance Telecommunications Device
If you are using a telecommunication device for the deaf (TDD), call 711 to reach Relay Texas
Texas Governor's Office CONTACT INFO FOR REPRESENTAITVE HARVEY HILDERBRAN - CALL HIM NOW!
District: 53
Capitol Office: CAP GW.12
Capitol Address: P.O. Box 2910
Austin, TX 78768
Capitol Phone: (512) 463-0536
District Address: 125 Lehmann Drive
Kerrville, TX 78028
District Phone: (830) 257-2333 CONTACT INFO FOR SENATOR CRAIG ESTES - CALL HIM NOW!
District: 30
Capitol Office: CAP 3E.8
Capitol Address: P.O. Box 12068, Capitol Station
Austin, TX 78711
Capitol Phone: (512) 463-0130
District Address: 2716 Commerce St., Suite 101
Wichita Falls, TX 76301
District Phone: (940) 689-0191
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by venom on June 1, 2007
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LORDVIPERTX _ LISTEN TO ME!
yes 1309 failed
yes it did
HB12 DID NOT!
Both herp related issues were attached as riders to HB12!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a rider gets inserted between the vote and the governor's desk.
YES THIS IS ALL CAPS SO YOU WILL LISTEN
BOTH ISSUES, THE PERMIT SYSTEM AND THE ROAD COLLECTING ISSUE ARE PAST THE VOTE - IF PERRY SIGNS THEN IT IS LAW!
Unfortunately I do know what I'm talking about.
Once again, 1309 DID FAIL. HB12 WITH THE ANTI HERP RIDERS ATTACHED DID NOT.
Now making the personal attacks on me was not cool, especially when it's YOU who don't know what's going on.
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by LordViperTX on June 1, 2007
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Sec. 62.0031. HUNTING FROM PUBLIC ROAD OR RIGHT-OF-WAY
PROHIBITED. (a) Except as provided by Subsection (b), a person may
not hunt a wild animal or bird when the person is on a public road or
right-of-way.
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by LarryDFishel on June 1, 2007
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http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/billtext/html/HB00012F.htm
SUBCHAPTER V. NONINDIGENOUS SNAKE PERMIT
Sec. 43.851. PERMIT. (a) The commission by rule shall
establish permits that allow permit holders to possess or transport
in this state a live nonindigenous:
(1) venomous snake; or
(2) constrictor that is one of the following:
(A) African rock python, Python sebae;
(B) Asiatic rock python, Python molurus;
(C) green anaconda, Eunectes murinus;
(D) reticulated python, Python reticulatus; or
(E) southern African python, Python natalensis.
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by LordViperTX on June 1, 2007
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I humbly stand corrected...and am appalled.
Apparently I have phone calls to make on Monday.
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by LarryDFishel on June 2, 2007
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P.S. NEVER, EVER trust the published summary or anyone politician's description of a bill. Always read the text. That's exactly how they sneak things like this through.
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