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by Kingetula on September 22, 2007
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He is not violating his state laws as he is not in that state selling them. You never said these animals were breed at his home or that he even has any at his house. All I know is he is in a state where he is legal to have them.
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by Kingetula on September 22, 2007
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I was arguing the legal part of selling in a state that does allow it. If the OP means that this guy keeps and breeds these snakes in a state that it is illegal to do so in and then crosses over state lines to sell them then yes that is wrong. Not only is he breaking his state laws but when he is busted it just adds to the ammunition to the groups who want to bring this hobby down. By buying these snakes you only encourage him to keep doing it. One person can ruin it for the rest of us...
Little diffrent view from my last posts but the OP wasn't clear on all the details.
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by FlaSnakeHunter on September 22, 2007
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To All, especially Cro, if you are reading this thread: Yes, I did post requesting opinions, however, it is my contention that an open forum which embraces intelligent design naturally allows for intelligent debate by all parties involved, including the original poster. Please correct me if I’m wrong. In my previous post referenced herein, I was told by a certain individual that… “You asked the group here for our opinion, and I stated mine. Now you seem to want to go on and on defending your position.” Indeed, I was not defending my position, rather, I was defining my position as I am doing in this thread. I merely proffered a hypothetical situation in order to elicit a response that would then induce an intelligent discussion.
To Kingetula: You are correct insofar as I did not state that this individual was actually breeding the venomous snakes in his home state, therefore, let me clarify. He was breeding these snakes in his home state where venomous reptiles are illegal to possess and he then transported them to a state in which a legal venomous show was being held and he was selling them at this show.
To Peter84Jenkins: VERY IMPORTANT…Please refer to my earlier post entitled “There's an ad in the Classifieds... BEWARE !!” on Page 3 as this is the basis for my current post. In that post I was attacked by a few individuals for conducting myself in a prudent and moral manner when responding to an ad in the “Classifieds”, however, the good news is that I received 23 personal emails which totally supported my position.
I am very worried about this industry/hobby based upon what I have seen and heard, not only on this forum, but from all over the country at various shows and in speaking with individuals who are involved in this hobby. I truly believe that, as a group, we are rapidly descending into an abyss where we will be progressively legislated into oblivion.
Please rest assured that I am not and will not engage in any transaction with any individuals who have no regard for the law.
To Rob_Carmichael: Based upon our previous conversations, I am sure that you understand the motivation behind this hypothetical situation, i.e. I wanted to see what the prevailing behavior and opinion was regarding the individual from my earlier post. I agree with you 100%, this industry is headed into the dumper, unless we begin to passionately embrace these issues. I’m an optimist, however, I am also a realist…I know that we have hurdles the size of mountains to overcome.
To fizzbob7: Let me understand your statement (“whomever is cheating and gets caught gets in trouble.”)… So, if you break the law and don’t get caught, it’s alright ?? Kinda like the tree falling in the forest where nobody is there to hear it ??
And your other statement (“ridiculous legislation is the thing killing the hobby and if there weren't "reasons" to make laws, they'd create them”)… So, there should be no laws regulating this industry/hobby ?? I disagree strongly. The keeping of venomous reptiles bears great responsibility and liability and, as should be abundantly clear, many individuals totally lack this sense of responsibility and morality, therefore, intelligent legislation must be enacted to control those who defy sensibility. Whereas I am in favor of legislation, I am also fervently against over-legislation, the difference being that certain regulations must be in place as mandated by the need for safety and control. Additionally, legislation is not killing this hobby, individuals who blatantly disregard issues of safety, responsibility, liability and morality are killing this hobby…those who believe that they are exempt from the control parameters which govern a civilized society and keep behaviors in check.
To Kingetula: You said… “If the OP means that this guy keeps and breeds these snakes in a state that it is illegal to do so in and then crosses over state lines to sell them then yes that is wrong. Not only is he breaking his state laws but when he is busted it just adds to the ammunition to the groups who want to bring this hobby down. By buying these snakes you only encourage him to keep doing it. One person can ruin it for the rest of us...” Amen, that is precisely the effect of his behavior and of those who endorse and/or overlook it.
To All: If I have stimulated thought and awareness regarding these issues, then I have been successful with this post. As a group, we must continuously bear down upon those individuals who will, as a result of their selfishness, lack of responsibility and apathy, drive this hobby straight into the proverbial black hole.
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