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by Jahon on December 18, 2007
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Hey guys, now I know you guys are all venomous REPTILE enthusiasts but since you are all exposed to dangerous animals I was wondering if any of you have seen any funnel web spiders or Brazilian wandering spiders up for sale. Not so sure about the funnel webs since Australia may have some laws against exporting but there has got to be Brazilian wandering spiders for sale. I've seen and kept deathstalkers, african fat tails, black widows, and all those but never the Brazilian wandering spider. Thanks in advance and have a great day.
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by Cro on December 19, 2007
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Jahon, years ago when I worked at the Atlanta Zoo, we managed to import a number of Sydney Funnelweb Spiders. (Atrax robustus).
It took months of permits because of the difficulty in importing animals from Austrailia.
As far as I remember, these were the only ones in the United States. We did have success in breeding them, and I believe that a few might have gone to other zoos and a few research labs.
I do not think that they are available for sale in this country, unless they have made their way from the zoos into the private sector. This is unlikely, as they are very dangerous spiders, and it is not likely that anti-venom would be available in case of a bite.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by tj on December 19, 2007
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I have seen brazilian wandering spiders for sale, but not in quite sometime. They are one of the faster spiders, so if they get away from you, they're gone.
That and lack of AV in the US, is reason enough for me to pass.
Good luck, and keep looking. They'll pop up sometime. Just be careful.
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by Jahon on December 19, 2007
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I have lots of experience with venomous arachnids and have kept lots of them in the past but the Brazilian wandering spider really caught my attention. A species I'm very interested in but will be very careful about handling. Thanks again guys, stay safe and take care.
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by soberwolf on December 19, 2007
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I may be out of line here but!!! Imported arachnids are proababley not a good idea. For one the introduction of a foreign insect has not proven good in most cases in the past. Also if you are bitten by a Funnel Web which will stand their ground. You are proababley screwed finding an anti-venom. Stick with the Trantulas. Non- agressive and fairly easy to handle.
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by jparker1167 on December 19, 2007
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here is a guy i know that deals with alot of spiders and he is an importer so you can see if he can get them or if he has any hes a really good guy to deal with and knows is stuff
his name is jason sobek and his site is www.THEARACHNOPORIUM.com hes in pittsburgh pennsylvania
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by Jahon on December 19, 2007
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Well Shelby you have to understand that many Brazilian wandering spiders have already been accidently imported into the U.S. through banana shipments. And as far as the funnel web spider is concerned, they have a very fearsome reputation but they are not as dangerous as some people suggest. The death rate is very low and was very low before antivenin was developed, the majority of deaths were children. I understand that there were no confirmed reports of a funnel web spider killing an adult male. The Brazilian wandering spider also has an extremely low lethality rate and a minority of cases require antivenin. I'm not saying they are not dangerous or that they are not capable of killing a person, but what I am saying is that they are not as dangerous as some people suggest. The trick is to keep them as safe and secure as possible so they do not escape, and to use extreme caution when handling them, which almost all the time is not needed since they are arachnids and demand very little.
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by AzAtrox on December 20, 2007
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Shelby...
I myself have imported arachnids (not insects)...I keep an Androctonus australis, Androctonus bicolor and a Leiurus quinquestriatus...all of these scorpions are medically significant, and have been known to cause human fatalities. In fact, L. quinquestriatus has the distinction of being the most toxic scorpion on Earth...(this however is NOT why I keep them!)
I can understand why you'd recommend that someone stick to harmless tarantulas, but without knowing one's experience level or knowledge level such advice is unfounded...I'd certainly recommend staying away from "hot" arachnids if someone doesn't have the necessary experience or knowledge, but if they do and they're responsible, there's no reason why they shouldn't pursue what they want...
Keep in mind that most localities do not regulate invertebrates as they do snakes...In fact, you can go right down to Tempe and pick up any of these bugs (provided they're in stock)...However, the establishment will require you to sign a waiver stating that you have the necessary experience and that they're not responsible if you get stung....
As long as one can demonstrate that they're responsible, knowledgeable and have experience, why shouldn't they be allowed to keep what they want provided it's legal to do so?
-AzAtrox
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by Cro on December 22, 2007
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Jahon, I am wondering a bit about your statement "And as far as the funnel web spider is concerned, they have a very fearsome reputation but they are not as dangerous as some people suggest. The death rate is very low and was very low before antivenin was developed, the majority of deaths were children. I understand that there were no confirmed reports of a funnel web spider killing an adult male."
Do you have references for those statistics? I was allways cautioned that these spiders were some of the most potentially deadly spiders on the planet. If that is not the case, I sure would like to know.
The Toxinology Site has this to say:
"Funnel web spider bites, though mostly minor, can cause severe, even fatal envenoming rapidly, so all cases should be managed as a medical emergency. At the first sign of systemic envenoming, IV CSL Funnel Web Spider Antivenom should be given, 2-4 vials initially, depending on severity, followed by further doses if envenoming persists or recurs.
Key Diagnostic Features
Painful bite, rapid development of systemic envenoming, with perioral tingling, tongue fasciculation, headache, nausea, increased sweating, salivation, lachrymation, piloerection, hypertension, pulmonary oedema.
General Approach to Management
All cases should be treated as urgent & potentially lethal. Rapid assessment & commencement of treatment including appropriate antivenom (if indicated & available) is mandatory. Admit all cases.
Antivenom Therapy
Antivenom is the key treatment for systemic envenoming. Multiple doses may be required."
That sounds to me like they consider the bite dangerous, and potentially lethal.
Best Regards JohnZ
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