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by rthom on March 16, 2008
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We should form a national organization to fight these bans and needless laws.Something along the lines of the National Rifle Asso. Just because I like hots and you like Corn snake morphs doesn't mean we don't have a common enemy.
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by yoyoing on March 16, 2008
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Hey, I had a pet squirrel monkey when I was a kid. They were sold in the back of comic books for about $15 (probably came to $25 with the shipping and all). I loved King Kong and he was a great pet. He got out of his cage one day as we were giving him some fresh air on the front porch. We searched upward in the trees but discovered him just hanging out on the rocking chair of the front porch. He basically became the "feral" monkey of the farm after that. He was a blast and for me and is a cherished childhood memory. The neighbors were aware of him and avoided running him over as he napped out on the dirt road in front of the house. His demise was sort of a farm accident. Being an insectivore, he ate some poisoned flies. That was unfortunate, but I do not see why I shoudn't now be able to get a new monkey because they are banned/regulated (and I learned not to allow access to poisoned flies).
Back to my question, where are all the dead kids predicted on the reptile forums because of the PA reptile shows?
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by tigers9 on March 16, 2008
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<<Yo-yoing wrote:
Back to my question, where are all the dead kids predicted on the reptile forums because of the PA reptile shows?>>
I think the original intent/reason behind PA wildlife commission to ban some small birds was that they could interfere/kill with local wildlife and/or spread disease, kind of like FL python or Castro’s Python map issues, so if they go after reptiles in PA, it might not be the instant attack angle, it can be the salmonella or similar angle.
Anyway, if I lived in PA, I would take the attempt to ban some birds as a warning and keep my eyes open as to what is going on. Maybe get friendly with some editors and get some good positive media out there so exotic animal owners are proactive, on offense, rather then defensive, just doing damage control.
Z
PS:U named that TINY monkey KING KONG? That is funny, I needed a good laugh. I named my Cuban rock Iguana 'Fidel', because I coudln't think of any other Cuban name when I got Fidel over 16 years ago.
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by EPARR1 on March 16, 2008
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I go to just about every Hamburg show and John is right most of the time the vendors police themselves. I have seen a few people buying venomous snakes that made me raise and eyebrow but the same could be said about any new comer to the hobby including myself.
When I was 20 I purchased my first CB venomous snake from a vendor at Hamburg. I wasn't sure what I wanted exactly to start with and I talked to several vendors in the end I was pointed to wards a Pygmy rattler. While the vendors were trying to make a sale they gave me good advice on what would make a good starter and none of them tried to sell me something that was out of my level of experience. I was even told I was not ready for a few of the snakes I inquired about.
I have also seen vendors turn people away and/or point them to something more suitable to their skill level.
All in all I think the Vendors and Dealers at Hamburg do a great job. Any show you go to you will hear war stories about kids buying venomous snakes large pythons. Rumors is all it amounts to.
My opinion
Eric G.
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by yoyoing on March 16, 2008
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Thanks Eric,
The current experiments seem to be the freedom of PA (which everybody loves) and the sensible regulations of FL (which everybody admires). I hope all those people criticizing PA by predicting disaster will stand down and all those criticizing the licensed pioneers of FL will back off.
Jim
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by yoyoing on March 16, 2008
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BTW, my position is that big birds are the worst pets. They live forever, they're intelligent (to the point of having emotional issues), are sold as impulse items, and proper husbandry is a nightmare (snakes are closer to pet rocks by comparison).
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by Atrox788 on March 17, 2008
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"Vendors tend to police themselves, as they know that one bad vendor can ruin all of their livelyhoods. Vendors who break rules have been banned from attending these shows on many occasions."
Unfortunately this was not the case at all as much as 3 years ago and I doubt it is today. Though there are some great vendors there are twice as many idiots that flock to the PA shows.
I havent been in 3 years so hopefully things have changed but back then there was zero "policing" as you called it.
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by EPARR1 on March 17, 2008
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Let's look at it this way. I'm not sure how long the hamburg show has been up and running but I do know it's been more than 12 years.
There is no rising death toll or frequent accidents reports to support all the bad press Northern Berk's reptile show and the vendors receive.
Any hobby you get into no matter how dangerous there will be idiots involved. I personally enjoy the Hamburg show espcially once the crowd thins out and I think the guys/girls that run the show and the vendors that attend do a great job.
It's real simple If you don't like it don't go. If you see so much wrong with the show stand out front and protest or work with the shows vendors and staff to address and fix the issues. Coming on here and complaining will not fix the issues you feel are problems. Get involved and make a difference.
I'm not directing this towards anyone we are all entiltled to our opinion and this is my opinion on the subject.
Be Safe
Eric G.
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by Cro on March 17, 2008
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Eric's comment "Get involved and make a difference," it right on the money.
The Columbia, SC Reptile Shows have sort of become the Hamburg show of the SE. However, they are much more laid back than the hectic one day PA shows. (It's a Southern Thing, LOL ).
The Repticon folks have been doing an excellent job on making these shows more safe. An advisory panel of experts has been put together to deal with security issues. Rules have been passed that dealers need to use RED tape to seal Venomous Snake containing deli cups. Many of the dealers are keeping the venomous snakes in deli cupps under screen mesh or in glass cases. Screen topped aquariums are no longer allowed for venomous snakes, and multiple venomous snakes in a single cage is no longer allowed.
All venomous snakes have to be worked with or transferred to cages in a "Hot Room." Any vendor who does not follow the rules is given a warning that they have to immediatly remedy, (I brought about 20 rolls of RED VINYL TAPE to the last couple of shows, and wound up selling / giving away a bunch of it to vendors). (Good marketing savvy on my part, LOL) If a vendor continues to not follow the simple safety rules, they will not be allowed back.
And as much as everyone hates snitches, many, many vendors report violations of the safety policy to the folks running the show, and the matter is quickly fixed.
Vendors know that is is better for them to create their own safety rules, and inforce them, than have some mindless beurocrat make rules them for them, or take it away all toghether.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by EPARR1 on March 17, 2008
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John
The rules must have carried over to Hamburg all the venomous snakes in deli cups are sealed with either blue or red tape also marked venomous. The do have 1.1 pairs in the same containers and sometimes a few babies in one larger container from time to time haven't seen that in a while. I have never seen mixed species of venomous in the same container. I'm sure that's not what you meant. All handling must be done in a hot room also accompanied buy a show employee. Also most of the vendor have their venomous under mesh or glass still a few that just keep them towards the back of the table. So in all reality I think the shows are run very similar. Hamburg can get hectic and very busy but that may also be due to the one day Vs two day Columbia show.
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