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by jared on May 9, 2008
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Any of you keepers out there keeping anything unusual???
My current species list goes something like this,
Rough scaled death adders
Smooth scale death adders
Eastern Diamondbacks (albino and some slightly aberrants :)
Pakistan saw scales
Transpecos copperheads
Kentucky Northern copperheads (REALLY KILLER TRAITS IN THESE)
Osage Copperheads
RED RAT SNAKES
Baja Rattlesnakes
Western Cottonmouths
Eastern Cottonmouths
Fl Cottonmouths
Red pigmy rattlesnake
Eyelash vipers
Uromastyx
Rhacadactilus gecko
4 dam dogs
2 dam cats
and a partrige in a pine treeeeeeeee!!!!!!
anyone else breeding some neat snakes????
Yes, i am switching the running topic
Jared
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by jparker1167 on May 9, 2008
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here is a few from my list
pakistan saw scaled
osage copperheads
cantils
malaysian king cobras
levantine adders
tiger rat snake
desert horned vipers
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by Cro on May 9, 2008
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Jared, Nice to see a fresh topic here.
I keep the native venomous snakes of Georgia.
Wow, sorry to get off topic, but this red tailed hawk just flew up and perched on a limb about 20 feet outside my window. He is just sitting there. Not a large bird, probably a juvenile. The little neighborhood birds are freaking out. I hear distrss calls from them. Where is my camera when I need it. Ok, he just flew off.
Back to the snake thing. I keep and breed Carolina Pygmy Rattlesnakes, as well as Duskies. I also have Albino Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnakes, and Striped Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnakes, and Normal Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnakes, as well as Albino Cottonmouths, and Normal Cottonmouths, and some screamer Southern Copperheads, as well as screamer Canebrake Rattlesnakes, and a nice pair of Timber Rattlesnakes and Coral Snakes. Right now I do not have any of the very distinct Northern Copperheads from the mountainous region of North Georgia.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by Cro on May 9, 2008
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Many Eons ago, before the current reptile laws in GA, I kept Sea Snakes and Cacelians, both of which are a bit uncommon in private collections.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by jared on May 9, 2008
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DROOL I LOVE CORALS< the only snake i had run between my legs in appilachicola, and could not get (not hook mind u, and with recent posts not to certain about the AV stock). I really like corals of all ssp, do you ever get to product clutches from them? Are they fertile? How Many? I have never produced those in captivity, very rare to hear of anyone who does i think. Most of mine prefered ground snakes, dekays etc, hard to get um on much other than that (they were kinda on the smaller side too, not like the one we saw in recently). Love the horridus in pigmys as well, and anything agkistrodon. Nice stuff man,
Jared
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by Cro on May 9, 2008
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Jared, I was the first person to breed Eastern Corals in captivity, and have done it a couple of times since then.
Before that Raymond Ditmars had a gravid female Coral Snake that was shipped to him from Florida, around 1927. He hatched the eggs, but none of the young survived.
Jim Murphy and John Campbell bred the Texas Coral Snake in captivity a few years before I bred the Easterns.
I published my first results in the Bulletin of the Georgia Herpetoligical Society, however, when Janis A. Roze published "Coral Snakes of the Americas: Biology, Identification, and Venoms" he mis-spelled my name in the bibliography, and because of that, it it difficult now to find the original reference.
It really is not all that difficult to get Coral Snakes to breed or to get fertile eggs, but when they hatch out, the young are tiny, tiny, tiny. They are perhaps 6 or 7 inches long, but they are the diameter of a woodern match stick. And because of the tiny mouths, they are limited in what they can eat.
I was able to get them to eat new born brown snakes, new born ground skinks, lizard tails, spiders, and centepedes. I dumped every creepy crawley insect I could find in with them to see if they had any interest. They were defenatly attracted to movement.
Also, in captivity, folks tend to think of them as being lethargic and secretative. Well, they are secretative for sure, however, when they are out hunting, they cover a lot of ground quickly. I think that is what kills most of them in captivity. Too small of cages. I want to build a cage out of a 4 x 8 foot of plywood for the floor, and 12 inches tall, so that the Corals will have more room to roam around.
As far as catching them, well, even with a hook, it is difficult. They do not hook well. And you sure can't use tongs on them. I have caught 50 or 60 Coral Snakes by grabbing them by their tail, As They Were Crawling Away ! (Kids, don't try this !). This technique allows you to lift them off the ground and gain some control. However, they will immediatly start trying to turn their head back up toward your hand. You have to keep shaking them back down. If you take your vision off of them for a split second, they will come up and bite you. And you have to have a helper who can get a snake bag ready that they can be steered down into. Like I said, DO NOT TRY THIS, it is VERY DANGEROUS !
If you do not have help, then prop the snake bag on its side, with the mouth open, and use a hook to steer the Coral into the bag.
If you have a Coral on the ground that is running, throw a snake bag on top of him. Often that will stop him while you get another bag ready. If you have to hook them, you have to hook, and hook, and hook. It is kind of like picking up water on a snake hook.
Wonderfull snakes to keep.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by jared on May 9, 2008
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Thx John, that was possibly the best summation of captive micruvus in quite some time, look forward to seeing you at the next show,
Jared
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by Phobos on May 9, 2008
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21 Genuses, ~50 Species depending on the current state of systematics. Even a few that don't have an offical species name yet.
Deinakistrodon acutus
Macrovipera l. turanica, Macrovipera l. mauritanica
Atheris squamigera, Atheris nitchei, Atheris ceratophora
Bitis gabonica, Bitis rhinoceros, Bitis nasicornis, Bitis caudalis, Bitis cornuta, Bitis schneideri, Bitis parvicocula, Bitis arietans, Bitis peringueyi, Bitis atropos
Echis sochureki, Echis pyramidum , Echis coloratus, Echis multisquamatus, Echis leakyi
Cerastes cerastes, Cerastes vipera
Cryptelytrops purpureulomaculatus, Cryptelytrops insularis
Trimeresurus boornensis, Trimeresurus hageni
Bothrops asper, Bothrops atrox
Bothriopsis taeniata
Bothrechis schlegelli, Bothrechis laterallis
Acanthophis laevis, Acanthophis rugosus
Vipera xanthina, Vipera ammodytes
Daboia palestinae, Daboia r. russelli, Daboia r. siamensis
Pseudocerastes fieldi
Pseudechis australis
Pseudonaja textilis
Ophiophagus hannah
Naja naja, Naja haje, Naja pallida, Naja annulata
Tropidolaemus wagleri
Micropechis ikaheka
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by 23bms on May 9, 2008
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The renovated Staten Island Zoo is horribly depressing to anyone who remembers the Kauffeld era. The particularly ghastly Naja annulifera exhibit almost defies description.
OBSCENITIES aside, they do have one of the most exquisite Transpecos Copperheads that I have ever seen. I'd sell my soul to have that animal in my collection.
jrb
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by 23bms on May 9, 2008
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Nothing unusual except maybe the Trim.
Currently:
Crotalus adamanteus, atrox, c cercobombus, d terrificus, m molussus, o helleri, scutulatus, v viridis
Sistrurus m barbouri
Dendroaspis angusticeps
Naja kaouthia, annulifera
Bitis arietans, g rhinoceros, nasicornis
Agkistrodon bilineatus, p piscivarous, c laticinctus
Calloselasma rhodostoma
Atropoides nummifer
Bothrops asper
Trimeresurus trigonocephalus [The most beautiful snake I have ever owned. Period.]
Lampropeltis g californiae
Arizona elegans
Pituophis c catenifer
Category winners:
Beauty: the Trim
Personality: the annulifera
Sheer wicked nastiness: the C v viridis
Regardless, they are all priceless treasures.
jrb
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