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by TheFifthDay on November 5, 2008
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That come with top-opening cages? I personally like them, but I only keep non-venomous, so I can see a venomous snake keeper maybe having an objection towards them. Why do you not like them? And DOES anyone like them? Thanks in advance for the answers.
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by atwageman on November 5, 2008
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I don't like them because many venomous snakes feel very threatend when you approach them from above, versus coming at them from the side. Plus I stack my cages 5 high, and can therefore maximize use of space.
Either way a bite is a bite, and therefore I don't want to provoke a snake anymore than I have to.
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by LarryDFishel on November 5, 2008
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I generally prefer front-opening cages for a couple of reasons.
Many snakes want to go up when they feel trapped, which can make it difficult to get them in and get the top closed. It's hard to stop a snake from going UP with a hook. That's much less of an issue with a non-venomous snake that is used to being handled.
More than the difference between a front- and top-opening, I like cages like the neodesha design (no longer made) where the glass slides out to the side. This allows you to open the cage with your hands without having them anywhere near where the opening is. You can't easily do that with cages like visions (split glass front) or most top-opening cages I've seen.
Then there's the fact that depending on design you can stack front-opening cages or at least have them is shelves and open them without taking them out. That's hard to do with top-opening cages without wasting a lot of space.
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by Cro on November 5, 2008
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I agree with August for the same reasons.
Best Regards John Z
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by theemojohnm on November 5, 2008
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Jon,
Top-opening cages stress snakes, period. I do not use glass aquariums for this reason, and because being exposed on all sides with a visibly "open" cage seems to stress them.
Snakes hate to be stood over, and hate to feel exposed. Especially when dealing with certain species that may be easily stressed or "difficult" to keep, getting them to feed, and keeping them as stress-free as possible is much easier done with an enclosure that has only ONE viewable side, and NOT the top.
I assume your referring to the the cage design you sent sent me pictures of. I do feel it is a nice desing, and a good-looking cage, but maybe not for a venomous snake. I would keep many of the small lizard species in that enclosure, but certainly not a venomous snake. I personally, would not keep any snake in that particular enclosure, if only because it is top-opening. Some non-venomous species would do ok in that enclosure, if kept in a "low-traffic" area, and the animal did not have to be feed or removed often, or any other general cage maintenance done too often.
August described the dangers very well above, so there is the answer to your original question. Although, even more of a safety concern, in my opinion, is the stress being "stood over", or being lifted from the top of the enclosure puts on the animal, which does DIRECTLY influence safety when dealing with a venomous snake, and the health of the animal - which environmental stress from us has a big impact on.
Dont get me wrong, it is a very nice enclosure, just not the best possible route in caging.
Hope this helps.
Take Care.
~John Mendrola.
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by TheFifthDay on November 5, 2008
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The cage I am planning on making would be viewable from one side, but it would be top-opening. The top part that actually opens will be approx. 34"x18", and I was just wondering if anyone thought this would be a problem. If anyone could e-mail me some better, safer cage designs I would be very greatful.
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by atwageman on November 5, 2008
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Here's also another reason why I prefer a cage that opens at the front versus the top.
FEEDING:
I feed most of my snakes f/t rodents. I can use my 24" tongs very easily, and can manipulate the prey item from different angles. Also while using the tongs I can stand off to the side a bit, so as not to be in a direct line of fire with the snake.
You stated you don't have any venomous yet, but before you get your first hot, be sure to invest in a assortment of different size hooks and tongs/hemostats first! And of course studying under a mentor first as well.
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by puffadder7 on November 5, 2008
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also, i really do not like vision cages for a couple reasons, when you have fast elapids they fly right out the front, not to mention substrate gets stuck in the in the front part where the glass is and gets jammed, arin
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by atwageman on November 5, 2008
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puff7
I can sypathise somewhat about your dislike for visions. I use animal plastics and have had similar experiences. On friday I'm gonna order a cage from BARRS and give them a try. The doors on a BARRS cage folds down instead of slide. Don't get me wrong though, the cages animal plastics makes are very well built and I have never had to worry with warping/bowing.
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