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by Kingetula on August 19, 2009
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Bryan,
Honestly I trust these gloves more with snakes than I do with needles. I've talked with, JohnZ and Robbie who have also tested these gloves out. If I remember correctly all three of us tried some sort of needle and with very little work, we got stuck. I used an Insulin needle and with little effort got poked and that is why I never really trusted these gloves. Also Robbie did another test on a Cacti and got poked. I ended up going along with the fact snake fangs are curved and thicker where needles are straight and thin. Either way they are added protection and better than using nothing at all. I just don't trust them with needles as much as I do with snakes.
2 bites is a pretty good record IMO. I’ve seen the videos (JohnZ posted before) and read the stories about these gloves being tested on all sorts of snakes. I’ll keep using them as I think they are the best gloves on the market at the moment for snakes. I just wish they were not so damn spacesuit feeling! The darnn things are horrible for smaller snakes, good with medium snakes and easier to work with on larger snakes but can’t be trusted to save your butt at that size.
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by BGF on August 19, 2009
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Do as you wish. I am simply pointing out the obvious that they are designed for a purpose radically different than their proposed use here and that the relative placement of reinforcing is reflective of this.
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by Buzztail1 on August 19, 2009
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Midwest snake gloves are advertised with the following disclaimer:
NOTE: HexArmor® products are cut and puncture resistant, NOT CUT AND PUNCTURE PROOF. Do not use with moving or serrated blades or tools. Always perform a safety test before using products for hazardous applications.
The leather gloves with steel staples:
Note: Midwest gloves are not guaranteed to be puncture proof, however they are highly puncture resistant. When handling venomous snakes in any manner, whether using gloves or not, the handler should use all means possible to avoid a bite.
The leather gloves:
Note: Midwest gloves are not guaranteed to be puncture proof, however they are highly puncture resistant. When handling venomous snakes in any manner, whether using gloves or not, the handler should use all means possible to avoid a bite.
And lastly, the animal gloves:
NOTE: HexArmor® products are cut and puncture resistant, NOT CUT AND PUNCTURE PROOF. Do not use with moving or serrated blades or tools. Always perform a safety test before using products for hazardous applications.
There is no such thing as a puncture proof glove that has fingers that you can actually bend. They offer SOME protection but will not prevent a bite 100% of the time. Based on the disclaimers, I would say that the gloves did not fail - they functioned exactly as they were advertised. No gloves should ever be trusted to prevent a bite.
Just my opinion. I never use gloves other than surgical gloves for preventing spitting cobra venom from coming in contact with any cuts or abrasions I might have on my hands.
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Karl H. Betz
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by Kingetula on August 19, 2009
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That's right, they are sold as needlestick resistant not proof! They are great gloves for a level of protection that will save your butt from time to time but may fail to prevent each and every sharp object it comes in contact with.
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by AquaHerp on August 19, 2009
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Of all the snakes I work around on a daily basis, it's the big adamanteus that cause me the most trepidation. They hook like a damn log, they can strike well out of a 45 gallon can, they seem to relish a good fight and the volume of venom these snakes put out is quite humbling. I have said for years that if I am ever taken out by a snake, it won't be a cobra, mamba, heavy-weight African viper or other. It will be an Eastern.
I don't trust gloves for anything really. Maybe a good set of work gloves for plucking coral snakes off the road, but that's it. I don't like the false sense of security or not being able to feel exactly what I am doing. That's just me though.
DH
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by CharlieO on August 19, 2009
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Dr.Fry,
I was doing some reading on flexible body armor to see some of the technology in use. One item that cropped up frequently was shear thickening fluids (stf's).
Since a couple of the major concerns I've seen in the forums and (if I recall correctly in your own research) have been a) seams and b) objects entering between and then separating threads, I was wondering if any research has been done on using molded or bonded inner linings in conjunction with stf impregnated fabrics?
Please note that I don't keep any snakes (just a dog and a couple of cats); I just have an interest in the hobby and am looking to learn a little more...
Thank you for taking the time to read...
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by plainblain on August 19, 2009
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Hooks, tongs, tubes and an unencumbered snake room are repeatedly preached by the professional and good experienced people on this forum for handling dangerous snakes.
It is what it is..if you chose to get creatative you might get envenomated. If you do what your told, you will not.
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by BGF on August 19, 2009
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Charlie,
the sort of armour you are talking about is for ballistic projectiles, not for sharp hypodermic needle-like fangs. Yet again, good product for a very different application.
Cheers
B
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by JHarrison on August 20, 2009
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Doc has it right the use of these gloves only make for a false sense of safety. Hooks and tools work better. Limiting handling with hands will lower chances of envenomation with or without gloves.
We have tested most of the snake handling fabrics out there and none are snake proof.
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