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by Kingetula on October 26, 2009
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It wasn't just cobras, if I remember correctly I believe I saw Vipera russelli and other species as well being tested, are we thinking of 2 diffrent videos? (Only ask because you pointed out Cobras, like that was the only snake tested in that video?)
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by Cro on October 26, 2009
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Scott,
I can think of three different videos / articles that involved gloves being used.
One was of Donald Schultz letting a lot of different snakes munch on him. Could have been his website, or UTube, or National Geo, or Discovery, or Animal Planet. I checked his website and UTube, and it is not there anymore.
One had Robert Keszey of Glades working with snakes while wearing the Hex Armor gloves. Again, it could have been at several different locations on the web.
Most likely it was a trailer that went along with one of the National Geo or Animal Planet shows.
One had Bryan Grieg Fry using the gloves sold by Midwest, with sea snakes and a big king cobra I think.
Can not remember if it was a article, or a video, but there used to be a link to it on the Midwest site, but I can not seem to find it anymore.
So far, I am not finding any of those above anymore.
Perhaps someone with more time can find them again, especially if they remember where they first saw them.
Or, perhaps they were all taken down, after folks started to get bitten through the gloves ?
I still use the gloves at times when working with some snakes, as I do think they might provide a bit of protection in keeping a fang from penetrating as far. But I do not consider them fang proof at all, and do not free handle snakes with them. I still use hooks.
Best Regards
John Z
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by CHRIS on October 26, 2009
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Provideing a bit of protection is the same as no protection. Reduceing penetration still creates a risk. Remember Joe Slowinski it was hardley a scratch. After many years of working with venomous snakes I became to complacint , and it came at a cost.I than reworked my technique. I have yet to come across a snake that I could not handle with just one or two regular hooks. DONT TAKE THE RISK,AND IT IS A RISK NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT.
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by Kingetula on October 26, 2009
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John...
http://tongs.com/review-bryanfry1.aspx
Bryan G. Fry, Ph.D.
I found this but don't think he is talking about Hex Armour, the picture shows a different type of glove as well but I thought I would post none the less.
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by Cro on October 26, 2009
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That is right Scott. The gloves that Bryan reviewed were the heavy leather, Kevlar lined ones.
It is not surprising that heavy leather gloves work quite well, as leather has been used in high end snake proof boots for years.
I have a pair of split leather cowhide gloves that I wear when force feeding neonate cottonmouths and copperheads, and, so far, none of them have ever been able to get a fang through them.
Perhaps someone will find the video of Donald wearing the Hex Armour gloves, and post it. From what I remember, he was letting a lot of snakes chew on those gloves.
Perhaps he was just very lucky that he was not bitten, as there now have been enough bites through the Hex Armour gloves to prove that they are not snake proof, but are possibly somewhat snake resistant.
Best Regards
John Z
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by Rattler4 on May 23, 2012
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There is on thing that I would have to note about hex armour. Hexarmor lists their gloves in two catagories when it comes to puncture resistance: puncture resistance and needlestick resistance. The hercules r8E were both if I remember correctly. They sell a glove that is similar to the hercules r8E, but is listed as hercules r6E and does not have the needlestick protection. What was the model of the gloves that the staff member was wearing when he was bitten? What was the model of the hex armor gloves that midwest had listed as "snake gloves" on their site? Midwest carries ( or carried) two different models of the hex armour gloves. One thing I find interesting is midwest in their catalog has a glove called extreme heavy duty glove or something like that, that doesn't have the usual disclaimer like the other gloves do. I'm sure this is just an oversight on their part. Hex armor now sells a pair of gloves called Hercules™ NSR (Item Number 3041) that they claim have the highest needlestick protection available, to all parts of the hand, though the cuff is shorter. Here is the link: http://www.hexarmor.com/products/detail/hercules-nsr/
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by Rattler4 on May 23, 2012
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Quick note and update on my last post. While serching through hexarmors site I came to a page that was about Donald Shultz. While looking at that page hex armor states that the Hercules NSR 3041 provides the highest level of protection from snake bites on the market. Has anybody used this particular model before? Here is the link for that page: http://pages.hexarmor.com/snakehandling-donaldschultz.html
The link is to the right and about halfway down the page. Any thoughts?
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by venomgland on May 24, 2012
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I think if your yearing gloves to handle a venomous snake, then you shouldn't be handling venomous snakes. Gloves or no gloves. Don't be putting your hands near them. 2nd, if I was to pick up a venomous snake. I'd want to be able to feel every movement it was making with my bare hands. I think you would loose a lot of that feel with gloves on.
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by Cro on May 24, 2012
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What Chris just stated is absolutely right.
There is no such thing as a "snake proof" glove, only "snake resistant" gloves.
No one here is going to tell you snake gloves are safe, as they are not. Far too many folks have been bitten through all of the various models. You can stick a narrow gauge needle through most all of them.
Might they be useful, if worn while working with a venomous snake, where they might deflect a bite, or, cause a bite to penetrate less far ? Yes, it could work that way. But, that does not mean they should be used to free handle venomous snakes, like some nit-wit folks on TV have done.
The gloves could be even more useful though, if you are raising crocodiles, monitor lizards,or large python type snakes, or, the various tree boas and tree pythons. They could make a bite from one of those critters less severe.
They are basically a piece of fabric. If you free handle venomous snakes with them, you are trusting your life to a piece of fabric. Of course, folks do that all the time, as they trust their lives to a piece of fabric called a bungie cord, or, called a climbing rope, or, called a seat belt. Sometimes, the fabric does save their lives. Sometimes, it does not.
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