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RE: How many folks got sick after the Columbia Sho
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by Cro on November 16, 2009
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The interesting thing, is that other venues that Repticon hosts do not run into the problem of folks getting sick.
However, the Columbia building seems to have been making folks ill for several years now.
If someone were to plot the table locations of all of the folks who got sick, I think they would find them to be concentrated in a fairly small specific area.
That would tend to suggest that when the AC was turned on, that area got a sudden large dose of something. And that would tend to suggest what part of the AC system needs to be inspected. Everything so far tends to suggest that a large dose of mold and fungus spores are to blame. That area happens to be the closest to where the AC unit is located.
I choose not to suggest to the Shriners that there might be a problem, because I feel that like any business, they would have said "we will look into it" and have done nothing more.
And, the same thing concerning Repticon. They would have said "we will look into it," and probably not have done anything more.
That is simply how businesses operate. If they ever admit there was a problem, then they become liable for that problem. If they admit there is a sick building, then they are likely to have some of the folks who got sick want them to pay the doctor bills. That is why I do not trust show promoters or building owners to follow through. It is not in their interest to do so.
I have no intention to send them my medical bills concerning this issue, but, some of the number of folks who got sick might do that. That is why they will never admit any wrong doing.
That is why I contacted a unbiased State Health Department, as I was seeking testing that would not be biased, and would be state of the art in accuracy.
I still believe that a clear answer will not happen until a government agency does the testing. If the building turns out to have problems, then that agency will ask the building owners to fix the problem.
Since the State of SC does not have Air Quality Laws that involve businesses like Jamil, the next step is to have OSHA or the CDC to run tests.
If we see no efforts to make the problem right, we will know where the priorities of the folks running the shows, and the owners of the building are. I think that Danny and Cathy and Repticon do have concerns for the safety of folks attending the shows, and hope that they will contact the appropriate agencies to have appropriate inspections done.
I also think that outfits like the Shrines will never admit a problem (even if it is found, and they are told to fix it), as they are simply just another business who is concerned with raising money. The fact that they take the money they raise and use it for hospitals and stuff has nothing to do with them needing to maintain a building they own in a healthy state.
Best Regards
John Z
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RE: How many folks got sick after the Columbia Sho
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by Cro on November 17, 2009
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This is more than just a handful of people.
And, there are more out there who have just not posted yet, but developed the same problems at the show.
Note that everyone is mentioning Bronchitis, Respiratory problems, Sinus Problems, Sore Throat Problems.
Things like fever, stomach problems, Nausea, or Vomiting, that are usually associated with cold and flu, are not part of it.
All are LUNG Problems.
That is a Strong Indication that what ever the causative agent was, it was Airborne and breathed into the lungs. It is some sort of Biological Pathogen that caused the disease.
Joe Switalski
Bottom line is something needs to be done. As far back as 2006, people were getting sick right after the show. Myself and a friend got horribly sick driving back from the show in Nov. 2008. This year, I caught it mildly. But Derek and Adam are really sick. D told me that he hasn't moved all week. I don't want to hear about Red Roof Inn being the ... Read Moremain cause...as there's others who have stayed in other hotels and still got sick. I'll bet my left nut it's the temple. How could that piss the Shriners off? A simple test could have it all figured out.
Kristopher M. Boldizar
I had sinus infection type symptoms as well as some throat issues that caused me to lose my voice by the end of both days. No other symptoms...
Josh Dimpfl
Save for the sore throat and such, nothing too bad.
Bill Rosser
my wife and I developed some sinus problems on Saturday around noon (I remember joking to her that I hope I wasn't getting H1N1) or so. I was miserable for 2 days, but I cleared up by Monday and I believe she was fine on Sunday. I attribute it to allergies as ours have been really bad this year.
I have a friend that is sick as a dog. Still. He was there all day Saturday, but did not feel well enough to attend Sunday.
Paul R. Moody
John I have alot of discharge from my nasal, and had a sore throat on Monday, but not as bad today...tired feeling...
Trey Lemons
Started feeling bad late Saturday afternoon.Bad cough,head and chest congestion.Our table was on the non-venomous side but I spent most of my time in the venomous section.Finally starting to feel a little better.
Nicole Strauss
Got a sore throat,
Diamond Reptile Breeders
I have been sick since the show. Sore throat, Cough, Stuffy head and Chest..Yeah....Thought I was feeling better yesterday but today sucks too.
Oh well..Have to take the bad with the worst ya know.
Trey Lemons
Hey John, I have been sick as hell too.My head and chest are a snot factory. Ment to introduce myself at the show but with all the people there I just tried to stay out of everyones way.
Josh Dimpfl
I vote on mold spores. Paul and me noticed some lovely mold growing on the ceilings from water damage. Oh joy, in March there will be one vendor, the only one who isnt still sick!
Cindy Steinle
Someones columbia photos had some lovely shots of the moldy ceiling....
Trey Lemons
If I am not mistaken quite a few people got sick at a show there a couple of years ago.They also had to turn the AC on at that show and it had not been on in a while.
Paul R. Moody
An A/C evaporator coil can house bacterial spores such as mold, mildew, fungus, streptococcal (strep) bacteria. There are many different types of strep bacteria. Some cause more serious illness than others. It is commonly spread through hospitals and nursing homes through the A/C systems...
Paul R. Moody
I have had a sore throat...very tired...
FLVenom911 on November 11, 2009
Every year people end up sick. I caught it really bad last year after the Novemeber show as did a friend of mine. This year, I caught it mildly but Adam who was with us is really sick.
JMEXotics on November 11, 2009
yep got sick myself... just a minor cold though thankfully
pitbulllady on November 12, 2009
I did, actually, and wound up having to take a sick day on Monday due to severe asthma Sunday night. I really didn't make any connections to the show site, other than the fact that there were a lot of people there selling rodents, including the person at the same table with me. There were also rabbits across the ailse from me. I'm horribly allergic to rodents and rabbits, and sort of expected to have SOME sort of reaction, but I figured it would dissipate once I got home from the show. Instead, these respiratory issues got worse. I'm still wheezing a bit, and I always have sinus congestion pretty much year-round, but I didn't realize that others had experienced the same thing after attending this show.
mrtigger on November 12, 2009
I had an asthma attack and had to use albuterol to control it. My lungs were irritated for many hours.
pitbulllady on November 12, 2009
My symptoms weren't "flue-like" at all. I didn't have digestive issues or a fever; I just couldn't breathe without using my inhaler. My lungs are also still irritated and I've still got some wheezing and shortness of breath, though not bad enough to keep me home from work.
swampwoogie919 on November 12, 2009
Yep..started feeling bad saturday afternoon.
Adamanteus70 on November 12, 2009
I feel like crap. I woke up Monday morning with a sore throat and tired as all heck. The throat soreness went away, but I feel worn out and weak like the flu. My legs are sore and ache, and I have been sleeping a lot. No fever or anything, but that is just how I am, never really getting very sick, but just a bad period of feeling like crap.
I showed the mold on the ceiling vents to Josh. I hoped to not get sick, attending such a big gathering of people, as I have no health care at this time.
CChadwick on November 14, 2009
For what it's worth, I showed similar symptoms and I'm still sick but I think I'm over the worst of it (my head still feels like it's gonna pop though). I was there both days from opening to close, and walked around constantly, between venomous and non.... If I had to pick a spot I was in the most I'd have to say the non-venomous because two of my friends were vendors in the non-ven section. I know alteast one of them is sick as well....
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RE: How many folks got sick after the Columbia Sho
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by Cro on November 22, 2009
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Repticon, you have stated that you wish you had been notified that there is a problem with the Jamil Temple.
Consider yourself notified.
I think that I have provided enough evidence that there is a "Sick Building" problem, and now, will hopefully be taken seriously.
I have not contacted OSHA yet, and will leave the ball in your court to do what is right, and make sure that the building is safe before the next reptile show there in March.
I hope that you will notify the Shriners, and request that they fix the problems.
This should probably start with hiring air quality tests of the building, with and without the AC running, and providing proof that they have done so, and publishing the results of those tests.
This should also include a thorough inspection of the heating and AC systems of the building, and proof that such inspections have been performed, and problems repaired.
This also should include abatement of obvious mold growing on the ceilings, and repair of ceiling leaks that are probably causing the problem, and again proof that this has been done.
And, it should be requested that NEW Filters be installed in the heating and AC system before every reptile show, again, with proof that this is being done.
Those efforts would go a long way in convincing the vendors who support the show, that you are providing a venue that is safe for their health.
If, for some reason the Shriners do not take the problem seriously, then, perhaps it is time to look for a location in Columbia, or, in another town, that is better maintained.
Large numbers of folks do not become sick following Repticon shows in other locations. But, there is a history of that happening at the Jamil location.
You should know the appropriate people in the Shriners to contact to make sure the problem is fixed.
I, and many other vendors, will be looking forward to seeing proof that the needed repairs have been made.
Best Regards
John Z
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RE: How many folks got sick after the Columbia Sho
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by yoyoing on December 3, 2009
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Just curious, did anyone have an animal which was present at the show which was found to be ill afterward?
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