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RE: Arizon Ridge Nose Rattlesnake ?
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by Cro on December 5, 2009
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Young pygmy rattlesnakes will often feed on zigzag salamanders and other Plethodon.
Best Regards
John Z
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RE: Arizon Ridge Nose Rattlesnake ?
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by pictigaster1 on December 5, 2009
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Paul I read that link that was kool and sad for the twin spot that died in the end.I bet the reason it died was improper care not a snake to carry around to do shows for kids and education.To fragile .......
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RE: Arizon Ridge Nose Rattlesnake ?
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by Adamanteus70 on December 6, 2009
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The whole story was sad, because poachers took reptiles that they could make a buck on and could have cared less about the consequences or laws. When this happens it gives lawmakers ammunition against the reptile keeping community.
It disgusts me that even after the fines and everything, they still made a profit off selling the snakes.
I know it is a tempting thing to want things that are hard to obtain, but buying and selling protected wildlife is not a good idea.
You know why people smuggle them out and sell them? because people ask for them.
I have yet to be introduced to one private person here in the USA that legally owns and breeds snakes such as ridgenose and twin spot rattlesnakes.
Why is that? If they are occasionally offered for sale at shows, then who are these people? Why are they not advertising these hard to get gems on the internet to draw business? Are they even legal or do they also have fake paperwork? I hear that "well there is this guy who sells them at this one show" - really, well who is he? lets direct Nakita to them so they can make a transaction. Maybe that's not how it works...
No need to hide if you are doing nothing wrong...so think about it...
Paul
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by CHRIS on December 6, 2009
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Paul I hear what you are saying,and it sounds very simple but there is a large number of collectors that dont want to be in the public spotlight. Back in the early 1970s I had this conversation with noted herpetologist Max Nickerson ,and I remember his coment that you just never know what someone may have in there basement in Philly.Alot of people just want to keep it private. And I can understand that,I was that way and really still am,I very few people know that I exsist.I have maintained venomous snakes in my collection every day heading on 50 years,and it wasnt tell about the last 5 years that my wife asked me to start shareing my interest with others,Along with some push from a great guy ,Randal Berry.And i am still reluctant to interact.I still keep my idenety private,it is a shame what happened in Texas,but that is a good reason to keep private.Hope this will help you out. Note I still do my best to keep a low profile.
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by lanceheads on December 6, 2009
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uhh, Paul,
I know several private persons (who I will not name, unless they give me their ok) who have permits for RidgeNosed and Twin-Spots. It is NOT impossible to get permits for these animals.Just because you have not jumped thru hoop's to get the permits, doesn't mean another person willing to take the time and fill out the paperwork, whether Scientific permits, exhibit, display,or educational purposes, doesn't wholly mean it can't be done, because it has.
Randal Berry
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by Adamanteus70 on December 6, 2009
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Randal I am not referring to persons whom have special permits for studies, or other scientific purposes, rather people who breed them for sale to the public. My warning to Nakita is to be aware that there are people out there right now who are keeping illegal snakes and may be offering them for sale to unsuspecting buyers.
Most reptile people whom are breeders make available pricelist's to other breeders. Except the one time I saw the ad in that article on Kingsnake.com myself, I have yet to see one with those two animals on them.
As far as secrecy, I would understand that high profile collections are on the down low for certain reason's, but once again, those folks are probably not advertising CB animals for sale each year.
I don't want to beat a dead horse all over again, but my point was just to make buyers be cautious and check up on those offering them for sale. I legal owner should have no problem showing proof.
Paul
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by lanceheads on December 6, 2009
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And, I might add, the recent collection that was stolen in Texas had Twin-Spots (legal)stolen as well.
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by Nakita on December 6, 2009
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Paul,
I truly appreciate your input! While I admit to having a strong desire for the rare and hard to obtain I do not want to risk ending up with animals that have been illegaly obtained both from a legal standpoint and a moral one.
Gilas are far more common than the two species I expressed an interest in but even so, when I am purchasing a new specimen to add to my colony I still stick to known breeders who's paperwork is actually worth the paper its printed on.
Thanks again for taking the time to educate me about the pitfalls of purchasing these animals without doing extensive homework.
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by pictigaster1 on December 6, 2009
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I know people with legal species of willardi and twin spots as well ,real paper work and all.Some of the specimens came from zoos who at one time dealt more directly with public.The rest of them came from mexico with legal paperwork or are the offspring of those original legal imports.All legal animals.The only twinspots are mexican animals tho that I know of.In the early 80s a twin spot cost 50 bucks from legal dealers and a willardi cost 250 some of those snakes and there offspring are still around,such as the ones recently stolen.
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