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by FSB on January 16, 2010
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I have a horridus who responds to the frequency of my Martin D-18 by rattling furiously, even if I'm out of sight [so no visual cues]. He will rattle as long as I'm playing and keeps perfect time, but only knows one tempo so I have to match mine to his. He's as good as a metronome albeit with one setting. He does not respond to banjo or fiddle, only the guitar. I took him to an outdoor concert I gave at a state park and gave him his own microphone. I introduced him to the dumbfounded audience as the best percussionist I'd ever met, even though he has no arms or legs. Then I brought his cage out and set it on a chair and positioned his mic and we performed the creepy old ballad we had worked up. He performed perfectly and I only have to pay him dead rats. Also gave me a chance to expound to the crowd upon the virtues of rattlesnakes and point out that I had found this remarkably talented musician lying in a road after having been hit and injured by some artless cretin.
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by AquaHerp on January 16, 2010
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I have two cobras that respond to finger picking acoustic. Nothing with the Gibson/Marshall, but come out and relax to the Ovation. My giraffes back at Abilene would go absolutely nuts for rockabilly style. It was comical!
DH
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by venominme on January 16, 2010
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I look at the anti-python legislation as a “Save The Rats” campaign. It is the lawyers and scoundrel politicians protecting one of their own. They are using the harmless python as the sensationalistic poster child for their anti-everything agenda. I’d like to take all the things the pythons have eaten and see them all in one picture. It would be a mountain of opossums, raccoons and rats. These people are protecting a mountain of varmints that have been harmlessly removed for free, and trying to limit the removal of a thousand mountains worth more. The pythons are not taking these things from the mouths of natives, the native predators have been killed off already. Time to start thinking about the pythons thriving in the fringe between wilderness areas and our homes as an asset.
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by lanceheads on January 16, 2010
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Fred, In the years past, I had a D-18 and a D-35. I loved the D-18 much more than the 35. Go figure!
Randal
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by Rob_Carmichael on January 16, 2010
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Hey John,
Nit picky point but you mentioned most falconers are associated with zoos, museums, etc but in fact, the vast majority are private individuals. But I do agree, they are a much smaller group compared to herp keepers but in light of the fact that we face the very real possibility of losing our hobby (venomous are probably doomed), looking at falconry and perhaps modifying it to meet the needs of herp folks, might be the only solution. But, it's still going to be a tough sell to the feds unless they know that the cost of having a permitting system will be covered by the costs of the permits.
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by Cro on January 16, 2010
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Rob,
I know 5 folks in Ga with falcon licenses, and all of them are associated in some way with a zoo,aquarium, game & fish, museum, or, reptile rehab, etc.
Like I stated before, the Feds outlawed all contact with raptors. But, at the same time, they left a way for the handful of raptor keepers to keep working with their animals.
It is totally un-related to the millions of reptile keepers, no matter how much you wish it to be different.
Reptile keeping will not work on the system you bird folks use, no matter how much you think it might.
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John Z
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by Adamanteus70 on January 16, 2010
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I have a couple of words I would like to say if it is alright...
I think that our personal hobby of the herpetocultural standpoint of keeping and breeding exotic and native venomous reptiles may be soon a difficult hobby to keep legally.
I feel many lawmakers have been influenced into creating these new regs and laws to aid in the "safety" of the public. There are cases where unsafe keepers have made the headlines with escapes or envenomations. It gives the reputable VR keepers a black eye each time this happens.
I think that Florida has a safe system for licensed VR keepers, but it still has instances where illegal keepers get caught.
Hopefully if there comes a time where new regualtions on the banning of venomous reptiles in private collections, the responsible keepers with impecable records with Game & Fish will be acredited into the system to allow them to continue keeping their captives.
I cannot speak for other States, but maybe they could also adopt a permitted system to allow responsible and knowledgeable keepers to obtain a permit to legally keep venomous in private collections.
This would stop many of the poor situations where un qualified people are keeping venomous just because they think it is cool or thrilling to have a cobra or rattlesnake.
I do not have the "answer" to the topic posted, just an opinion. I know my position with my work is propagating a sepcie in my opinion that is in heavy decline in much of it's natural range. I also record all my data for future use and analysis to help others breed this snake in captivity. I enjoy the pride of breeding a majestic rattlesnake, but I also record valuable data too. It is fun to work with this snake, and learn so much with field documenting all at the same time. I do not know how life would be without the eastern diamondback in mine...
Good topic and many good suggestions already written here by others.
Paul
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by tigers9 on January 17, 2010
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I think when some of you her stop thinking from a narrow point of view of how to save ‘venomous hobby’ and start thinking in a broader concept of how to save exotic animal keeping, (or really animal keeping in general, since so many AR groups r ruining farm industry, aka our food source, ), ONLY then we will be on the right truck. Remember, what is killing us is the fact that many refuse to unite and ‘divided we fall’ is totally helping AR groups, since we animal owners are extremely bickering prone and narrow minded in some areas( my small snake is ok, but your big one is no, kind of thinking)
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by tigers9 on January 17, 2010
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I think when some of you her stop thinking from a narrow point of view of how to save ‘venomous hobby’ and start thinking in a broader concept of how to save exotic animal keeping, (or really animal keeping in general, since so many AR groups r ruining farm industry, aka our food source, ), ONLY then we will be on the right truck. Remember, what is killing us is the fact that many refuse to unite and ‘divided we fall’ is totally helping AR groups, since we animal owners are extremely bickering prone and narrow minded in some areas( my small snake is ok, but your big one is no, kind of thinking)
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