|
RE: Venomized herps
|
Reply
|
|
by fbergman31 on January 4, 2011
|
Mail this to a friend!
|
|
And this is suppossed to be the "ask te experts section" what a joke. It should be called the "get a half a** biased opnion section." I guess I can come here to get a good laugh.
|
| |
|
RE: Venomized herps
|
Reply
|
|
by fbergman31 on January 4, 2011
|
Mail this to a friend!
|
|
You think I am Tommy ? Why would tommy make a fake user name to fight with you guys when he could just come on here and fight with you himself ? He certainly isn't the shy type.
|
| |
|
RE: Venomized herps
|
Reply
|
|
by fbergman31 on January 4, 2011
|
Mail this to a friend!
|
|
You know what ? I will even role play, ok, I am Tommy Blake, so guys, why did you shut down two forums on serious venomoid debate then open up another one dedicated to mocking venomoids ?
|
| |
|
RE: Venomized herps
|
Reply
|
|
by CHRIS on January 4, 2011
|
Mail this to a friend!
|
|
Some would argue that animals should be left in the wild,this sounds good but it is not reallity.So if we are given the chance to maintain these animals we at least should not subject them to needless abuse.Like it our not they are not common pets,they should not be handled as if they are. Respect Them the way nature created them. The constant fighting over this is subject is a waste of everyones time. If you want a venomous snake,keep it safely. If you feel the need to free handle get a kingsnake. Above all do it safely. Chris
|
| |
|
RE: Venomized herps
|
Reply
|
|
by FSB on January 4, 2011
|
Mail this to a friend!
|
|
A pet, by definition, is something you can "pet." I have had lots of pets, but I cringe when I read a newspaper article that mentions some guy's "pet" rattlesnake. Venomous snakes are not, and can never be, "pets" and that is part of their attraction. Many of the people who regularly use this website and reply to these posts are recognized experts and professionals who have worked with venomous reptiles long before "Tommy Blake" or whoever he chooses to call himself, was born. If you have no respect for them, you have no respect for venomous reptiles, and respect is the most paramount attribute required to work with them. To remove their venom glands is the ultimate act of disrespect. Removing the venom glands from a snake is akin to altering an historic firearm to make it more "modern." Plenty of modern firearms are readily available - get one of those. It is like structurally altering a Stradivarius violin so that it can stand the stress of being tuned to the modern-day pitch of 440, ruining a priceless instrument. It's like refinishing a pre-war Martin guitar just because it's beat-up. It's a stupid, ignorant and above all selfish and disrespectful thing to do. The cultivation of venomous snakes is an art form, much like the cultivation of rare orchids. Arts and sciences are closely related, and so there is a lot of science involved as well. People who keep and work with venomous snakes are typically far more knowledgeable about the natural history, taxonomy, genetics and toxicology of their charges than the average pet owner. We keep venomous snakes, as they are, in order to learn from them, since learning is the highest and best use of the human mind, and there is only so much that can be learned from books. Anyone who disfigures a venomous snake is a vandal, plain and simple, no better than any moron who would deface a national monument or defile a great work of art. My only wish for "Tommy Blake" and anyone who agrees with him (including Raymond Hoser) is a hasty exit from the gene pool.
|
| |
|
RE: Venomized herps
|
Reply
|
|
by AquaHerp on January 4, 2011
|
Mail this to a friend!
|
Tommy, or whoever you are.....get a life man.
I'm ignorant? I do more with snakes before lunch than you'll do in your entire life.
DH
|
| |
|
RE: Venomized herps
|
Reply
|
|
by fbergman31 on January 6, 2011
|
Mail this to a friend!
|
That is a good comment. The only problem with it is that it is wrong, stupid, and anti intellectual. A pet by definition is not something that you enjoy petting. Can you pet a fish ? No, yet they are sold at the pet store. Petting an animal and a pet are two different things. When I am speaking of a pet I am using the word as a noun, when you speak of a pet you are using the word as a verb. Hence what you are saying is stupid and anti intellectual.
Now to address your quick change of subject, that, "Anyone who disfigures a venomous snake is a vandal, plain and simple, no better than any moron who would deface a national monument or defile a great work of art." Again, wrong, I was circumcised and had my tonsils removed, my cat was neutered, my dogs ears are clipped, and my snakes venom glands are removed. I love all of my pets and all are treated excellent. I wouldn't spend $500.00 to hurt my snake. He is not disfigured and looks great. He has no problems. You should think about the anti intellectual nonsense you spew before you say it because you sound stupid and people on this site might know who you are.
P.S. I am not Tommy Blake and you posted this comment in the wrong forum.
|
| |
|
RE: Venomized herps
|
Reply
|
|
by fbergman31 on January 6, 2011
|
Mail this to a friend!
|
Also, my other comment was deleted onthe other forum so I guess I will post it here since it also adresses what you are saying and since we all seem to be posting whatever we want here any way:
Lol, I do not know what you are laughing given the fact that you made a comment with absolutely zero substance in it. People are laughing at me because I cited Hosers work ? That's funny since the reptile medicine and surgery textbook backs up Hosers work in that it verifies all of his claims. I also stated that the best source of scholarly work was the reptile medicine and surgery text book. I personally like the way Hoser puts things and I find it funny the way he shows how you fools are liars so thats the only reason why I find it the best but to reiterate, the best scholarly work is the reptile medicine and surgery text book.
I also find it very impressive that you can state, "You don't seem to know nearly as much as you think you do, in your head.. ". Really said a mouth full there how am I going to digest all that information... If you think I don't know as much as I think I do in my head then please, why don't you explain to all of us what exactly is wrong with any of Hoser statements, or better yet, explain what was wrong with any of the statements Tommy Blake made regarding the procedure in the last argument. Even better, why don't you go to the websites I listed, since I listed 4, and not just Hosers, find their facts on venomoids, and explain what was wrong with any of the claims made on these sites ?
Are you claiming that the venom glands grow back ? Are you claiming the snakes need their venom to digest meals ? What substance are your brining to the table ? We have brought substance, that you can't rebuke, you just change the subject and start ranting about your feelings, you haven't addressed any of the serious claims we have. So please, if I am so ignorant and Hoser is a mad man I give you the green light to elaborate on why the procedure is detrimental from a scientific stand point.
On top of the actual facts I have already stated please also explain to me why so many people own venomoids and none of them report problems with the snakes ? They all act, eat, digest, and seem just fine. Including my snake. So if this procedure is so bad why aren't more people coming out and say, "Hey my snake died." You really think I would pay for a $500.00 procedure, on a $700.00 snake, if I really thought my animal was going to get sick, be injured, or die ? I mean, I love my snake don't get me wrong, but from an economic point of view, do you really think I would risk my investment like that ? I am Jewish, trust me, I know what I am talking about(lol). That sounded pretty good I think I am going to state it again: You really think I would pay for a $500.00 procedure on a $700.00 snake, if I really thought my animal was going to get sick, be injured, or die ?
So on top of the fact that the procedure is absolutely harmless to the snake, unless you can prove otherwise, I am going to state 6 benefits of owning a venomoid:
* Again, I know this is hard for you to wrap you head around since you are an ignorant weirdo but just try to comprehend exactly what it is that I am saying.
1) It is safer for the public if you own a venomoid. Accidents happen even to the best snake handlers and if a snake got out and bit the little girl next door and killed her the blood would be on your hands since you could have prevented it by getting a simple surgery done to your animal. This fact should be taken into special consideration since the reptile industry is booming and ANYONE can go to a reptile show and get a venomous snake. It's not just about YOU, it's about other people, and the reptile industry, as well. I know it might be hard for you to wrap your little reptilian brain around that but we with mammalian minds seem to understand this just fine.
2) The reptile industry is really only just beginning to blossom and is fragile at this point; do you really think it is intelligent to too encourage the sale of only venomous snakes when venomoids are more in demand and would reduce the number of bites ? Every time a person goes to the hospital with a snake bite (and even the best get bit) it gives the enemies of the reptile industry an excuse to outlaw our animals. And again, since any one can go to a reptile show and buy venomous snakes wouldn't it be more intelligent to sell more venomoids, especially at this point in our industries development. To reiterate, it's not just about you and your feelings, again, try to wrap your little lizard brain around this concept, and think about things besides yourself like others, and the reptile industry in general.
3) You can actually hold your animal. Yes! I know it's an amazing concept, not squeezing the snakes head off every time you need to change its water but actually domesticating him and picking him up gently. Wow, what cruelty, teaching the snake to tolerate humans and bonding with it instead of just trying to make its eyes pop out every time you grab it. Crazy !
4) Venomoids can be used in movies ( I think venomoid Inc. did a snake for kill bill) and shows and are easier to work with. I know Clem from Britain used a venomoid to originally test his venom defender gloves. I will post the video as soon as I find the link. I also know a guy who was trying to cross a cobra with a python and didn't want the snake to kill the python so he got it venomoided. The devenomization procedure can also be used to help snakes who's glands are infected. JUST LIKE WHEN A PERSON GETS THEIR TONSELS TAKEN OUT. Venomoids may also be a good way to keep scientist safe who need to work with something like a rattle snake but don't need a hot one. Venomoids are also a cool way to experience venomous snakes up close and personal which can be especially useful when educating the public about them and showing the public that they are not evil movie monsters that hunt humans every time there is a full moon. I regular person might think "wow, if that guy can hold a cobra then maybe snakes aren't that bad and we shouldn't ban corn snakes from pets shops."
5) Venomoids expand the industry ,safely, to people who would not normally buy a hot snake and thus helps the reptile industry grow which generate jobs and money.
6) It is safer for you as anyone can make a mistake. Wow, caring about yourself, another one of those crazy ideas from the pro venomoid people. Ehhhh when will they go away.
Next, ". I think Nicole was right; you only want someone to agree with you, that you're 'so bright', 'better', 'smater' (THE WORD IS ACTUALLY SPELLED SMARTER....LOL), etc (which IS QUITE the delusion)." I don't want someone to agree with me with, although allot of people do agree with me, I just enjoy exposing you clowns for the liars you are and spreading helpful information to people who want to make responsible decisions. Someone needs to come on this site and clean out all the pseudo science and delusions that are being posted, and if I don't, then no one will (mostly because they just don't care and are going to do what they want anyway). But still, I am kind of like an intellectual Jewish batman or superman cleaning up Gotham from all the ignorant and delusional liars.
Finally, " Once more, this site is NOT the place for it." Really ? If this site is not the site for it then how come so many people post venomoids in the classifieds section ? Do you own the site ? Why do you decide who gets to come to the site ? What if people don't want intolerant clowns like you on the site ? I know plenty of pro venomoid people on the site. More than you think may actually be on.
Please if you respond don't just ramble about your ignorant feelings try bringing some substance this time I am laughing so hard I am getting tears on my key board. Are you going to pay for a new one ? I think not you can't even afford a proper education. Why don't you go argue that drunk drives shouldn't get arrested because people shouldn't be persecuted for acting as they would naturally. I mean I get it. All those pedestrians should have just seen the car coming. Right ?
|
| |
|
Email Subscription
You are not subscribed to this topic.
Subscribe!
My Subscriptions
Subscriptions Help
Check our help page for help using
, or send questions, comments, or suggestions to the
Manager.
|
