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RE: Are Venomous Snakes Pets ?
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by Buzztail1 on January 6, 2011
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No need for further responses in this thread.
Warning was given and not heeded.
Action was taken, as promised.
R/
Karl
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RE: Are Venomous Snakes Pets ?
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by MrSweck on January 24, 2011
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The word 'pet' here in Sweden translates to 'sällskapsdjur'. That word clearly says what differ a snake from a cat or a dog. Straight translated into English this word would actually be 'company animal'... which I don't think a venomous snake (or any snake) is. If an animal doesn't have brain enough to be social, I don't consider it a pet. Company, to me, is not a one-way-street.
I can understand others when THEY consider their constrictor being a company, since it's lying curled up in his lap in front of the TV every night. But does the boa really consider the owner to be 'company'... or merely a comfortable place to rest? If a snake allows its keeper to handle him as a 'company animal', then of course the KEEPER might consider it to be a company... but I don't think 'not aggressive' is the same as 'social'.
Though when it comes to venomous snakes I think it goes without saying. How much 'company' do you consider your rattlesnake to be... when you wouldn't even dream of giving him the chance to show if he can be social?
I have had numerous venomous snakes myself. Like most other pets, also they have had names. But I have never looked at them as personalities. Also my fishing rods have names. Personality differences have had nothing to do with 'personality'. It has been 'more/less nervous' and 'more/less prone to bite', mostly related to the nature of the particular species. Not 'who' they were... but 'WHAT' they were.
But it didn't mean that I gave the 'least prone to bite' larger windows for biting than the one in the other end of the scale, because I was perfectly aware of that the reason wasn't that he "trusted me more than the others did". There's no such thing as 'trust' in a snake's brain. I wasn't an individual to the snake. It would have tolerated anyone to handle him the same way I did.
My cat though, has more trust in me than in my daughters. She (not 'it') is a 'who'. I see her as a 'company' and it goes both ways. To me, she is a 'pet'... while none of the snakes I have had has been more than 'object for studying'.
Personally I don't think 'pet' is a suitable word to even use. Placing a venomous snake in the same category as for example a cat kind of dims the warning light. Some persons might need that warning light more than others to fully understand that it's dynamite they will be handling. Handling venomous snakes calls for a high amount of respect. I had a guy in my apartment once, wanting to see when I fed my snakes. He was planning to buy himself. I threw the mouse in, the snake bit and a few seconds later it fell on its side. Right there my friend changed his mind... right there he realized that it was more than he had imagined it to be. He had never thought of it for what it was. He probably thought he was buying a 'pet'...
/Nick
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by CHRIS on January 24, 2011
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Lets get this forum back in the direction of education,rather than a source for liberal expression.
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by MrSweck on January 25, 2011
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Sorry for being the "drop that caused the overflow". Newbie at the forum and obviously wasn't aware of the limits. But if you saw my post as only a personal opinion, I did have a serious point with it. 'Not even calling them pets' was actually more of an advice than a personal opinion. I had just seen a program that included a part about Alexandria Hall, the woman who died from being bit by her two urutu pit vipers.
According to her ex husband, she had a way of being a little obsessive of what she was doing. She wanted a cat, he gave her a cat... and by the time of the divorce she had ten cats. She started body-building and next thing their spare room was a gym. She wanted a gun... and next thing she had several, even though she hadn't fired a gun in her entire life. It was all about wanting more. Aside of the urutus she also had a western diamondback, two rhinoceros vipers, a monocled cobra, a gaboon viper, six lizards, a cayman and also non-venomous snakes.
Her way of buying guns without even having fired a gun gives a hint that she probably wasn't a snake expert when she started buying snakes either. And her way of keeping "everything else" gives a hint that she also didn't see venomous snakes for what they were... just "same thing but different".
Right person (probably most here) sees it for what it is... while the wrong person confuses it with what it's NOT. To that person, using the same word as for a cat or a parrot will work as 'verification' more than 'clarification'.
This was really all I had to say. That this word is (dangerously) counterproductive in this sense is a thing I always have believed. Hearing them calling the venomoids this throughout the entire program felt kind of disturbing. Obviously my opinion on this fell on the wrong place.
I apologize for that and you won't have to hear from me again.
/Nick
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by theemojohnm on January 25, 2011
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Nick, I agree with you, 100%, as do many here.
And, many of us have been saying exactly the same thing lately. It's not your post, but more that people are tired dealing with the whole 'venomoid' issue that’s been brought here, that provoked this thread.
There's nothing wrong with your post. I actually think that this is a good topic, just not in the context that the original poster put it in.
I think what Chris meant is, that it's best if we just move on from the venomoid threads, and let these threads die down, so that there's less attention drawn to them.
I wasn't going to post on this thread again, myself. But, I didn't want you to feel like your post was the issue. It's not at all.. It's just that this debate has been drug out far enough, and continual posts to these threads 'feeds' the drama.
Take Care,
-John Mendrola
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by CHRIS on January 25, 2011
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My response was directed at all of the nonsense about the venomoid and people encourageing venomous snakes as pets. In order to be taken seriously, you should be down to earth,and creating the mind set that a venomous snake is a pet,is only setting the owner of this animal or people around them at risk.People in the private sector have a target on there backs already,dont furnish the bullet.Nick this was not directed at you,it is directed at all the needless posts regarding animal mutilation,animal abuse,and care free attitude towards venomous snakes.
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