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by straitjacket on October 15, 2003
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Can anybody tell me what a person has't to do to raise and sell rattlesnake venom,in California. Thanks for any help.
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once a month someone asks this one
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by Bud on October 15, 2003
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If you have to ask well forget it there is no shortage of venom! and nobody will buy from a private person or they shouldnt be.
get a phd and a lab with a 10 grand freeze drier.
after all that you will laugh at the idea of milking a snake for a few bucks hahahah you will be making more as a phd hahahahah
soon milkers will have to be usda regulated to produce clean pure venoms for sale.
that will cut out the rif raff 90 percent of the milkers are fingerless fools without a clue of what is right or wrong I dont trust them to label the venom correctly let alone use it for science no wonder antivenom doesnt work right half the time.
ps if you like getting bit by DEADLY SNAKES WELL IT HAPPENS TO MILKERS ALL THE TIME!
tHEN MILKING IS FOR YOU!sorry to bust your bubble.
bud
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by Deuce on October 16, 2003
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To make money will be tough, I would be lying if I told u otherwise. Breed um if u can. But w/ passion u can do anything, u might pull it off. And I hope u do.Stay in school and hit the bio/chem books, then look into lab equipment and weigh your output, vs what u might make. Lab cost is this> vet bills, rats, cages FD eq, AV, a lease on a lab for inspection, utilities and the likes. If u get bit, u might die, or wish u had. If your as driven as myself, u will sell venom, and will have a lab. But if not, u will die. Never quit, and you'll make brother. Best of luck my friend. Tim friede
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by Hotherps on October 17, 2003
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Here in the UK the extraction of venom is (has for the last 5 years) considered an experimental procedure by the British Home Office. In order to carry out the extraction of venom you need to be issued with a licence. Controls have been tightened further and you cannot even start to work with any venomous snakes without going on a training course. This is a requirement even for new people involved with the field study of the British Adder. This proved to be a catch 22 situation, as there were no training courses in the UK. So in order to fill this need, we designed and now teach a course on venomous husbandry / handling. We have had three people on the course. Once a person has passed this course they could then go on to have additional personal training in venom extraction.
At the moment there is only one licensed person in the UK extracting venom (myself)and they also are responsible for the teaching of the course.
One issue that I find very worrying is the apparent trend to post pictures up on web-sites of non-professional herpetologists “milking snakes” there is one particular UK web site that has pictures that make me cringe. The way that some of the snakes are held is just downright dangerous, and this is just for restraint, not milking. I will not go into the debate on different holds at this time, suffice to say that any professionals reading this will know that the typical 3-fingered “viper” hold is a dangerous hindrance when milking snakes.
There is no reason why any private keeper should attempt to extract venom, as has been pointed out in previous posts, it (the venom) has little value to research labs unless it is properly stored and there is full and accurate data for it e.g. species of snake and it’s origin.
Watching someone (myself included) who has milked tens of thsands of times, the procedure does look reasonably easy, but there is an awful lot happening at any one time, constant subtle changes in grip, pressure and assessment of what the snake is about to do. Venom extraction is NOT something that you can pick up from a book or pictures and even video clips will not give the whole story. There is no (safe) substitute for having personal, professional tuition.
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by Deuce on October 17, 2003
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It all depends on the snake. I pull mambas backwards through my hands, which is super gentle. Hook pinning is by far to time consuming. U can't do this with rattlesnakes however, they are best restrained by a pin, or a glove approach. Cobras can be grabbed in mid-air(without hitting the ribs of course), or they can be pulled backwards. just my 2 cents. Interesting post.TF
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by Hotherps on October 18, 2003
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Hi Deuce, yes I agree with you. I do understand what you describe, but would a novice snake keeper? The course that I wrote has two pages on venom extraction, with one just dealing with Echis Sp. and this only covers the basic methods, which brings me back to my original comment about people copying what they have seen without actually having had any proper tuition.
There are of course personal variations in techniques. I have seen some variation brought into play due to damage (to hands) caused by previous bites. Most people hold a snake in their left hand but there are exceptions.
At the end of the day it is up to those of us that are professional milkers to ensure that the new guys are taught safe techniques.
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Anonymous post on October 23, 2003
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Bud said, "90 percent of the milkers are fingerless fools without a clue of what is right or wrong"
He calls them "fingerless fools", yet he doesn't run a venom production facility, does he? This honestly just sounds like jealousy to me. No sideline quarterbacking Bud! If you can do it, then do it. But stop talking so much junk until you have accomplished "something" we can review.
What exactly does Bud do for a living anyway?
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no name poster haha
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by Bud on October 27, 2003
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You expect me to reply to a anonomous post.
I call the fingerless milkers foolish cause they have
choosen to milk snakes but not to be innoculated properly. Thus the missing digits and the flat lines and the horror pain and hospital bills duh.
I have been milking snakes for 30 years bitten hundreds of times but the fingers never fall off?
Never ever will there be a trip to the hospital.
my definition of a fool is some one that knows the right way but does not do it.
Then has the arrogance to run the pie hole at me.
If you cannot survive the bite without Av.
You should get a different job period.
You play a losing game.
good answer for a poster that was scared to use their real name.
master of survival
bud
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