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by Everlight389 on March 4, 2004
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I agree that there is a loss of respect for the animal when it loses its ability to kill. But, as I think about it, is this truely different than modifying a dog or cat? In my opinion, as we change other animals to fit our needs, why not do a simple operation so we can keep the animal?
The operation doesn't hinder the animal besides that it cannot eat live food anymore, but other than that it generally remains perfectly healthy.
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by klauberi on July 6, 2004
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THIS IS WRONG!! There is a site that has a petition on it that is against venomoids. PLEASE SIGN IT. This inhumane act has to stop!! Like I said before, people who keep venomoids are nothing but posers.
PLEASE GO TO THIS SITE. I KNOW IT'S LONG, BUT IT'S WORTH IT!
site:http//reptilians.org/petitions/petvenom/sig.php
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by myfacewithin on September 21, 2004
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Presently I own a yellow anaconda and a spotted python (he's my baby). I am planning on gaining quite a few more animals and then presenting an educational show to children at a local school, at least once a year. I would be thrilled to get a venomoid animal, as long as I was there for the surgery so that I could make sure that it was done in a humane fashion. I know that there are both sides to this arguement, and I tend to fall on the fence. I think that it CAN be cruel and inhumane, much as a six year old keeping a python can be cruel due to his lack of knowledge. I think that if you know what you are doing and you are looking out for the wellbeing of the snake, then the issue should be discussed in a tolerant and open-minded fashion.
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by TurtsAndTorts on October 19, 2004
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I am always interested in talking about the procedure and views of it. Anyone who wants to chit chat please feel free to contact me. Abanjableu@tmail.com is the best way to contact me.
-Steve Clark
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Anonymous post on January 10, 2005
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making a lot of fuss about this surgery? you are all hypocrites. you shouldn't even take these animals out of the wild in the first place. nature never intended them to live in a box.
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by Necro on March 9, 2005
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First of all i am truely impressed with this article. It was unbias and original. I liked it. But since this subject is one of those "HOT BOTTON SUBJECTS" (were the "elite" & "true" herpetologists love to argue like little babies and cant act like humans) I am truely dissapointed at some of the comments. If you are going to comment, please make clean and respectful comments. The author of the article didn't spend all his time writing a truely unique and excelent article just for it to be ruined by a bunch of crybabies.
SO TO YOU ELITE AND TRUE HERPETOLOGIST, JUST DONT COMMENT BECAUSE YOU HAVE PROVEN TO NOT BE ABLE TO ACUALLY BEHAVE LIKE MATURE ADULTS.
Now for my opinion:
I believe that venomoids are just like venomous snakes. All of you stupid people who belong to the "elite" group of "true" herpetologists, I am sorry to call you a herpetologist. Owning a venomoid is not like a ferari without an engine, it should be more compared to "A person who has had their appendix taken out." Both the snake and the person have had something taken out. Sure maybe they might have a small scar, but in any way you look at it, both the snake and the human are living the same way that they did before. And the scar should slowly dissappear throughout the snakes shedding cycles. Now the only thing that i am against when it comes to venomoids is some of the procedures. I am ONLY for humane and steril conditions (and I am only for the "deductomy" not the ripping of fangs because fangs regrow and ripping the fangs out is just plane out cruel.) In other words the snake must be under the proper anethesia and all the instruments must be sterilized. I am also for procedures that must be done when owning a venomoid. Like prekilled feeding, which should always be done with any snake, monthly - bi-monthly milking to make sure the snake isn't producing venom, and general respect for the snake. When it comes to haddling I believe that that is when it becomes proceed at your own risk. They may not be venomous but they still have fangs. All in all, handling the snake more and more is what eventually come to taming, with the exception of naturally agressive snakes.
I am open for discussion all the time. DISCUSSION not ARGRUMENTS. You can email me but it better be for discussion not arguments. I will not tolerate any arguements. If you email me and it is not for a nice, calm and mature discussion were we can act like grown people, then i will just block your name and never speak to you again. My e-mail is yeti5571@yahoo.com
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by lazarus on April 7, 2005
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I am not a herp, don't even own a snake; but, your article was very informative, well researched and well presented. Thank you for going the extra mile to cover the topic, including ethical issues, in such a thorough manner.
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by southernstylereptiles on July 1, 2006
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The way I see it is if you want a venomoid go for it. If you want a "Hot" go for that. It is totally your decision. Some people like the thought of having a snake that can kill them and some don't, they just like to sit and watch them. Alot of the non-venomous snakes have nice colors but in my opinion the venomous have the best looking colors and looks. I have kept both and love both so I can't say anything about either. I just straight up love snakes so it doesn't matter to me. If I find a snake I want I am gonna get it whether it is "hot" or "not" The surgery is gonna be done whether I buy it or not. Even if we outlaw these surgeries it will still be done. Look at the survey on the home page and how many people keep venomous snake illegally. So even if we out law the surgery and keeping of venomoids it is still gonna happen. SSR.
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by vanerka on August 29, 2006
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I thought it was an informative article however, I disagree with turning a venomous into a venomoid. People argue and say they want to show it off and be able to handle it. If you want somthing impressive you can handle go get a big burmese. Others claim to do it to gain practice before moving onto a true venomous. The go get a nonvenomous with high agression. I dont see what is so cool about having a venomous snake, WITH NO VENOM. Kinda cancels out the meaning for having one. If ur not willing to get burned dont play with fire.
Thanks to all.
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by lzhs97 on August 8, 2007
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Jeff, if you would like to attend the lzhs 97 reunion, please email me at cinderella4579@hotmail.com. Sorry to contact you this way, but it's our last resort!
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