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by DKT on October 6, 2004
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I have a ltc 5'+ male canebrake that quit feeding about 5 mos ago. The animal was dewormed twice with ivermec aprox. 2 yrs ago. He has fed regularly on adult rats untill recently. He's kept in a 48" neodesha with day time temps in the low 80s and night temps in the low 70s. The humidity fluctuates between 50% & 70% depending on misting frequency. His weight is still good but I'm getting a bit concerned at the length of this fast.
Any suggestions would be helpful.
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by Phobos on October 6, 2004
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Hi Don:
Ivermec is not the wormer prefered for reptiles besides two years ago is a long time. Use Pancure instead, less toxic and more effective. The author (DVM) of the book sited below uses a dosage of 25-50mg/kg at least twice 3-6 days apart. You need a feeding tube and some help to safely medicate the snake. If you can get it to eat, you can dose the food instead of visiting the biting end of the Canebreak up close.
Treat yourself to a great book for less than $10:
http://www.venomousreptiles.org/reviews/detail/10
Must have book for Herp keepers
Good Luck,
Al
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Anonymous post on October 6, 2004
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Where can you get Panacure? Everyone is always talking about how effective it is, but it doesn't seem available to average herper.
thanks
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by KINGRIUS on October 7, 2004
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Try lllreptile.com/store/catalog. Go to 'reptile care supplies', then 'vitamins and medicines', then scroll down the page and you should see it- "panacure aka safegaurd is a dewormer paste."
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by DKT on October 7, 2004
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Thanks,
I've used panacure many times through the years on various herps that were considered too senstive for ivermectin. I was of the belief that ivermec was a more effective product in general. Now how to get it in the beast. I was mildly envenomated a fews years back by a nasicornis and have since adopted a hands off policy. Guess I'll have to break down and tube the animal this time as it doesn't wish to feed on it's own.
Thanks again for the assistance.
Don
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by timberrattlesnake89 on October 7, 2004
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Hey Don,
What I suggest how to get the medicine in the snake is to tube it. I would say you might need some help but that is the easiest way to give medical treament without being in danger. Most vets use this method and the same for most zoos. Just get some tubes from midwest www.midwest.com and then you can go to http://www.snakegetters.com/demo/tube/demo/index1.html there will show you how to tube a rattlesnake. I would think it would work a lot better on a big canebreak than pinning its head down. That is the safest method of work up close with venomous snakes.
Phillip
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by DKT on October 7, 2004
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Thanks Phillip,
I liked the tutorial. New lesson for the day.
Don
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by Buzztail1 on October 7, 2004
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Phillip,
Excellent advice and well put.
Don,
You are truly a gentleman. Most of us could take a lesson from you.
Thanks.
I have found Canebrakes to be tempermental and it is not always attributable to parasites. I once had a Timber that did not eat for a whole year. Then one day it just started up again. No real advice for you that you probably haven't already thought of. I do know that Canes are VERY needy of hiding places.
Feel free to email me separately and I will help anyway I can.
Karl
Buzztail1@hotmail.com
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by Phobos on October 7, 2004
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Phillip:
You continue to impress me with your knowlege and sensibility. Good Job! I missed that totally in my post and I have a full set of tubes I keep for the same purpose.
Don:
Best to work Karl's idea till you can get a stool sample to take to a Vet for analysis. Also check out the Taxidermy post by pigmybait. He just lost his CB for no apparent reason. I suspect paracites but only a necropsy will tell the tail.
I also don't handle my collection unless it is absolutely required. Less chance of getting into big trouble that way.
Good Luck,
Al
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by FLVenom911 on October 7, 2004
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No worries with the male Canebrake. It is this wonderful time of year again......fall. All three of my male Cane's have been off feed for about a month now. This is the time of year they use to brumate before the spring. My three female's are still eating good on schedule. Do not worry at all, as long as it doesnt drop body weight, it's good. A buddy of mine caught one last year that went a year and two months without eating, and yes it was a male.
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