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Why Karl, you're going to make me blush.
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by DKT on October 8, 2004
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Thanks for your kind words. Actually I weighed the devil last night and he scaled out at a generous 3.6kg so I think I'll wait a bit and see what happens. If memory serves you've been close friends yourself with this particular serpent.
I'll shoot you an e this weekend, you might like to hear what me and my better half have been up to recently.
Thanks again.
Don
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by paleoherp on October 8, 2004
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hey are we on about treating parasites? before ya do this you need to diagnose it properly it don t take a expert to know when somthing is wrong but if you don t know what you are treating theres not much you can do that would be effective, what im talking about is the correct drug . a lot of people use ivermectin but they seem to be effective only against nematodes and not other parasites you need to know what parasite it is , you could see your vet the fecal flotations is the most effective way of diagnosing parasite infections , its where they mix a concentrated sugar solution with the feces and the parasite sggs float to the surface confirming what it actually is. they also use direct smear to see what parasites infect the reptiles.
so an accurate diagnosing test will help determine what it is and treatment to use.
SHAUN
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RE: Why Karl, you're going to make me blush.
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by DKT on October 8, 2004
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Thanks Shaun,
I'm quite familiar with the process, unfortunatey the snake hasn't fed in 5 months thus it's been quite awhile since it's produced anything resembling a fecal sample. The local vet whom works with herps is not willing to take a cloacal smear so I much like the other fine folks trying to help out here am left with deciding which is the best way to proceed based on experience. The some of which based on the few participants I do know here is tremendous. Thanks for you input Shaun, I do apreciate it.
Thanks to everyone who has had a say on the subject.
Don Tipton
Owner
Rocky Mtn. Vivarium
Casper, Wy.
Owner/Curator
The Wild West Rattlesnake Museum
Cody, Wy.
307-267-3355
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RE: Why Karl, you're going to make me blush.
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by biff on October 9, 2004
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Here's my guess: an animal that goes off feed for an extended period of time (outside of a brumatory fast or one associated with sexual reproduction) has some kind of problem(s). Possibly there are intestinal parasites such as worms or protozoans which die off or go dormant after the host hasn't eaten for an extended period of time, thus the host animal starts to eat again. I personally don't believe snakes just go off feed for no good reason for long periods of time (just my opinion).
Here's what I would do: (my opinion, I am NOT a vet in real life, nor do I play one on TV). I would weigh the animal, figure out the dosages for panacur & flagyl, tube the animal and apply the meds with a dosing syringe. I would hit the snake with panacur at 75mg/kg and flagyl at 50mg/kg and follow with some extra water, possibly mixed with some pedialyte and a small amount of reptile gel. I would redose in a week to 10 days. After this dosing I would definitely give some reptile gel plus pedialyte, or equivalent. Thus giving some material to produce a fecal. I would then take that to a qualified vet and get further instructions from him/her. It wouldn't hurt to redose again after a week, lacking a vet's opinion.
I personally have followed this protocol with a snake I had (not a canebreak) and the snake started eating and was very healthy afterwards...and the fecals came back clean. It was fairly time consuming (for me at least) so hopefully your collection isn't large enough to be prohibitive for such personal attention.
I think what happens when snakes are treated for internal parasites (much of the time) that all of the "bugs" aren't killed, just most of them, and then they grow in number until they cause a problem again.
good luck,
Steve
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by AquaHerp on October 9, 2004
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I've seen.had many snakes go off feed for extended periods of time and all test results (fecals, blood, radiographs) come back clean. Most of these will pick back up again. I have seen this frequently in the temperate species as the season approaches.
But I still would run the fecals through a vet first for parasites as it's just good practice to do this on a regular basis.
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