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by Phobos on January 28, 2005
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These @#$%!! are the ones working on Banning "Dangerious Animals" Now that we've identified the threat we should come up with a counter attack plan.
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER (Washington) 26 January 05 Proposed bill would prohibit owning dangerous wild animals (Kelly Kearsley)
Olympia, Washington (AP): Douglas Taylor knew he loved snakes from the first time he saw one at the tender age of 8. Now 40, the Snohomish County firefighter has turned his passion for the creatures into a lucrative hobby.
A proposed bill may put the brakes on his snake-breeding business.
The legislation would prohibit Washington residents from owning dangerous wild animals such as certain snakes, large cats, wolves, bears, monkeys, primates and crocodiles.
Taylor testified Wednesday against the bill at a public hearing hosted by the House Judiciary Committee, saying he'd lose as much as $15,000 a year because some of the snakes he owns and sells would be banned.
"There's been no epidemic of death or destruction by reptiles," he said.
Under the proposed law, local animal control authorities would be able to confiscate dangerous wild animals from people owning them illegally and relocate the creatures to zoos or wildlife sanctuaries.
The animals might be euthanized as a last resort.
Current owners could keep their animals until 2010. At that point, they would need permission from animal control officials to own the pets.
The intent of the bill is to protect the public from dangerous animals and protect the animals from possibly inadequate care from private owners, said
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Nicole Paquette, a lawyer for the Animal Protection Institute.
The California-based organization, which has championed similar legislation in other states, has been trying to pass the law in Washington for the past five years.
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"Wild animals are inherently dangerous," she said. "And the private sector can't provide the care and treatment that they need."
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Anonymous post on January 28, 2005
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What a crock of s%#t!!!! Now this really urkes me when it comes to us who own venomous reptiles and who are responsible with our animals. Where is the real danger that officials should be punishing?? What about your 2, 3, 4 , 5 DUI offenders. What about the people running Meth labs. What about the pedifile living across the street. What about the repeated sex offender. The drug dealers, alcoholics, early parole for criminals, murders. The list goes on and on. I am just like the majority of people in here. I have an education, good job, responsible person, and rattlesnakes locked up in secure enviroments. And I run the possibility of being a criminal? When I do no harm to anyone. When I get up for work in the am, obey the laws, dont do drugs, etc. This really kills me because all innocent people suffer from this.
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Anonymous post on January 28, 2005
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hi im just a youngster and i might be missing a few things here. but whats wrong with banning dangerous animals if its gonna stop people from keeping things like crocodiles in thier bath . and tigers in the back gardens . i went on google and was reading the news some of them said some zoo's don t have the space for them and private keepers can help but others say the private keepers don t have what it takes to look after a lot of the stuff . They just wanna protect the public
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by wcoley on January 28, 2005
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In reference to the anonymous post:
First of all, even though your view is contradictary to what most of this site's members feel, you have your right to say it and I appreciate that you made your point without being rude, which is what often happens in this forum. I don't think most of us have a problem with taking someone's animals who has caused harm to a person or an animal due to their lack of responsibility. Its similiar to drunk drivers. Just because some people choose to drive intoxicated and possibly kill people, we don't take the right to operate a vehicle away from everyone. The members of this site are merely concerned with protecting the rights of the herp enthusiast who participates in the hobby in a cautious and responsible fashion.
Will
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by KINGRIUS on January 28, 2005
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This is why we need to separate ourselves as responsible keepers. I think the Northeastern Antivenin Bank is a great way to do this.
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Anonymous post on January 28, 2005
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nah im not trying to be rude im just askin about it . i understand a lot of people on this site love to keep venomous snakes. im new on this site.
i do live in england and here we have strict laws about this sort of stuff which some people don t agree on but i do because if people here knew they could keep them with out a liceance they would.
the wildlife and countryside act is ment to stop people releasing exotic animals in the wild , it protects our native reptiles because its ilegal to catch them and sell them without a liceance the liceance is granted to scientific studies and things like that.
we have a dangerous wild animals act , which is the one that stops people keeping things they should nt without the liceance. its good because ya don t have to worry about the man up the road having a lion on his garden .
i have read some stuff about some people keeping them in america without a liceance , even young kids which is what im asking about . is that right ?
i understand some people who keep them are good at it , but some are not .
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by ALA_herp31 on January 28, 2005
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All I see is the same unfounded beliefs that are killing our hobby. Yes it makes my skin boil with hate for the moronic actions being taken by these so called caring people. I see in the post that they think we as privet keepers cant care for our Animals properly, well to tell you something, I have seen Zoos that take no pride in the care of their Animals. If you so called caring Animal lovers want to play havoc on us responsible keepers, why not do the same to these so called Animal sanctuaries that don’t know half of what we privet keepers know about caring for our Animals. All I see is “Animal rights activist” and “Government law makers”, joining together to please the so called “Protectors of Wild Life”. It is a truly sick thing when one little group of people can kill our community, we are being treated with the lowest signs of respect. Any other group of people that were in danger of losing something they value dearly, would be fighting like wild cats to stop it.........Be safe ya’ll, happy herping, Wally
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by Phobos on January 28, 2005
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First of all thanks Darius for the Neavb plug. That is where OUR credability needs to start. Yes, the government will seperate the responsible from the irrresponsible, since we've failed to do it ourselves. Not everyone should be allow to keep potientally dangerous animals, Florida has the best system that tries to address this issue.
To anonymous who wrote: "What a crock of s%#t!!!! Now this really urkes me when it comes to us who own venomous reptiles and who are responsible with our animals."
I agree with your feelings. None of this would be a major problem except we have the "Target Group" going out and soliciting and "lobbying" the Lawmakers, basically stirring up trouble. There are many issues that laws just don't solve, many you mentioned but this is an easy-no-brainer for the lawmakers to pass to show "They are protecting the public", thus performing their job. It's easy, cause they will just piss off a small minority and make themselves look good to the "Masses".
We need to lobby and lobby hard. We need to fight back and track what this group from California is up to. We need to be on the offence not the defence or they'll kick our butts everytime.
Only Hank Molt's website has anything to say about this sort of crap, nobody elses has a section on Leglislation related information. Hat's off to Hank!!
The rest just sit and "fiddle" as Rome burns, so to speak.
Al
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by ALA_herp31 on January 28, 2005
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I agree Al, we need to come together as a community and show the Law Makers that we are not going to take this possible ban on our hobby laying down. We as responsible keepers should show our Local Governments the helpful knowledge that comes from the privet keeping of Venomous Reptiles, and from other “so called” Dangerous Animals. All of us have a responsibility to show that our hobby is worth wile, and that we as privet keepers have been probably the biggest contributors of knowledge on the lives and habits of these Animals. Hopes are high with me, that we can give this unfounded concept, a good outlook. Lets all try to teach the masses, that we are not just a bunch of thrill seekers, but that we are knowledgeable, caring, and responsible keepers. This probably will be the only thing that would save our hobby from becoming a thing of the past............Be safe ya’ll, and lets fight this unfounded action to its core. Happy herping, Wally
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by pH on January 28, 2005
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This is totally ridiculous. I know Doug Taylor (the guy in the article) personally and he doesn't even have anything that would be remotely dangerous. Nothing venomous and no large boids.
The semi-good news about it is that this type of legislation has come up in Washington several times the in past decade and the Pacific Northwest Herpetological Society has done an excellent job of presenting their arguments and helped shoot down all that. Let's hope they can do it again.
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