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by witherspoon on June 2, 2005
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this guy with the broke back gabby got the snake from me he also got a 1800$ enclosure thats got high doller heat, reptile lights. i can say with out a doubt he spends more money on his snakes a takes better care of his snakes then 95% of you guys that talk smack. that snake was 18" and would not dump unless you soaked it and if you could have seen you would under stand why he is warning new keepers. it was the best example of a gabby i have ever seen and ive seen a lot. some of you guys are good people who help ALOT!! and some of you guys are @^%$#^*(*(
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by LarryDFishel on June 2, 2005
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Sounds like either pure coincidence or some existing problem brought to the surface by the thrashing that would have killed the snake soon anyway. Gaboons may or may not need to be soaked, but it's pretty common practice.
Ignore the children and eventually they'll get bored and go away.
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Anonymous post on June 2, 2005
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Hi Aaron. It wasnt your fault. That is always bad when something like that happens. If you keep the humidity up and mist the cage regularly, the snake will deficate. Someone I know had one for 3 months without it deficating but then I had it and misted its cage for 3 days straight and it pooped.
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by Cro on June 2, 2005
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Its always bad to loose a prized animal like that. I have seen thrashing snakes bite themselves and other snakes on many occasions, and a couple of times the bitten snakes died almost instantly. Although venomous snakes are usually immune to their own venom, the long fangs of a Gaboon could easily reach the liver, heart, or spine, and do mechanical damage that could possibly kill it very quickly, even without the venom. Do your other snakes thrash about when soaked, or was it just this one? JohnZ
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by Cro on June 2, 2005
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I also wonder what the temperature difference was between the "room temperature water" in a buckett on the floor, and the snake in it's cage with "high dollar heat and fancy lights" as the fellow who sold it to you said? It is very easy to have 60 something degree "room temperature" water in a buckett on the floor, and a snake and a cage that is 70 or 80 something degrees. A sudden change of 10, 15, or 20 degrees could sure cause a thrashing response from the snake. Perhaps you should invest in a thermometer and check the actual temperature differences. I am not trying to fault your reptile keeping techniques, but just trying to point out a possible reason for the snake acting that way when placed in the buckett of water. JohnZ
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I agree with Al...
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by MattHarris on June 3, 2005
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..at the zoo I worked for, we used to mist the gaboons with a garden sprayer, and just hold the wand at their mouths. They drink right from it.
MCH
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by bush_viper17 on June 4, 2005
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Aaron, dont listen to the bad posts.Those people will obviously not ask for advice when they need it and will not learn a thing.Carry on. You learned something. You will never make that mistake again. Dont let anything deter you. Study every aspect of what went wrong. You made a mistake, but mistakes are expected when keeping a new species. I would say that %90 percent of the people who have kept gaboons were surpised very quickly about how fast and thrashy they become when something happens that they dont like. They are like, oh this is a big, fat, slow snake. You touch it with a hook and it jerks real fast and lets out a hiss. You put it in the soak dish. It thrashes violently, It either comes out injured or it doesnt. Its unfortunate when something bad happens. You learn something and will never make that mistake again. How else would you learn? The same thing has happened to many but yours was a freak accident that is 1 in a million. Not your fault at all. Dont let anyone or anything deter you. When ever you feel that you want another one and get over your loss, find another and carry on with the knowledge you gained. Good luck and I am sorry about your loss.
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by Coralsnayk on June 4, 2005
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To this Brave Anonymous individual, I can only say that you obviously have little or no experience with the large sedentary Bitis species if you cannot imagine why soaking is sometimes necessary.
Many of them don't drink standing water unless they're in it, even in adulthood. Some of them never learn. Some of them learn and then forget, so it's worth monitoring them. A Gaboon that is developed beyond the neonate stage will not do with just occasional misting, even here in Louisiana where it's nice and humid.
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by Cro on June 4, 2005
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Friends: Please remember that Gaboon Vipers, Rhino Vipers, and Puff Adders have lived for milenia in the forests of Africa without someone dragging them to a water dish to drink, misting them with a sprayer, or dropping them into a buckett of water! What is the habitat difference between Africa and how we are keeping them? Maybee we should look more of what we are doing wrong in keeping these animals? Best Regards JohnZ
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by drdelaron on June 9, 2005
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KNowledge is power, you know.
I thought I'd start it off with a cliche.
I noticed anger after insensitive words. But the beginning actions go further back. Would you like to be tossed in water unprepaired? no matter what temperature? Perhaps misting as a warm up, then the tossing? Ask your self, is the temperature the same as this breed prefers?
My snake needs to sustain a body temperature of around 85 degree F. So that means the water will have to be somewhere in there.
I remember buying the little fish I raised as a child and remember soaking the bag they lived in from the pet store into the water of the bowl; its new home.
I hate jumping into a pool of icy cold water, or hot water for that matter.
You say you've always done this tossing ritual? Fine, ask your self, "are the snakes happy with this toss?" "Do you care if they are happy?" I can read that you do.
I am sorry for your loss, but were you the culprit?
A loving person
Your thought?
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