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RE: cane break rattlesnake
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Anonymous post on June 24, 2005
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Hey Timber. Tell me the locations you studied at. Have you done any studies at all on these snakes or are you just repeating what someone else told you? Thats what I thought. You know nothing about this topic. You just pick up what other people say. You havent been out in the field and done any studies at all so why in the hell are you backing up what you are saying with so much pride? Crotalus horridus. ALready proven. WE can end this discussion. There is a canebrake color phase but that doesnt make it a separate species. People in North Africa are darker than the people in South Africa, they are still Homo sapien. Show me your studies and make me a believer. GIve me proof. DOnt use the same recycled BS that everyone uses in the cane and timber argument. Give me solid proven facts. Oh, you dont have any. THats ok, I wouldnt have believed you anyway.
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RE: cane break rattlesnake
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by PIGMAN on June 24, 2005
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So do you consider that all copperheads are one specie. If you dont seperate the canebrakes from timbers then we shouldn't seperate the western and eastern corals, the eastern, western, and florida cottonmouths. How about the copperheads, broadbands, osages, northerns, southerns, and transpeco's, . How many snakes have you seen this year? I am in the field almost daily and have seen over a thousand horridus, sistrurus, agkistrodon and adamanteus both mountain versions of horridus from Pa through VA MD, WV, NC, SC, GA and Fl my knowledge came from in the field catching and observing specimens not reading the latest field guides and web pages. Wheather it is trully a subspeicie or not it has as many different traits as the ones I listed above that have been given a classification of their own. All in all they are just adaptations through natural selection and eveloution to their surrounding environments and keeping the two as a seperate race keeps conversation less confusing so I know what region one may be dicussing when they refere to a canebrake. While the canebreake phase is probably their ancestriol phase due to finding an occasional timber that possess the canebreak color phase up north. As the earth warmed snakes started expanding their ranges through the blueridge and appalachains heading north. Then as it started to cool this then made island populations where only small fragments of habitat could support horridus. Color phases are adaptations that benifit the snakes survival in its ecosystem.
Just ranting on this subject a little
Zach Orr
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