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by Snake18 on July 14, 2005
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I was just wondering, which rattlers have the worst bite(from all points of view) ? I would guess: atrox, adamanteus and horridus, but I just wanted to check with you guys. I only have 1 juvenile atrox at the moment but I plan on getting more. The species I would like to own in the near future are: adamanteus, horridus, lepidus & viridis. I would also want to get a pair of Sistrus.
Anticipated thaks, Alex S.
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by bush_viper17 on July 14, 2005
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Ill put it this way. If someone made me take a bite from all of the rattlesnakes(except durissus and the rest of the non U.S. rattlesnakes) and they told me that I wouldnt die but I would still have to suffer the "mechanical" damage, I would least want to be bit by the Western Diamondback, followed by the eastern diamondback and the mojave and then horridus.
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by bush_viper17 on July 14, 2005
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Oh, but when it comes to the fatal potential, I would least want to be bit by the timber/canebrake rattlesnake. There was a girl that died just a few miles up the road from my house last year by a horridus bite and that was enough to make me respect horridus that much more. I dont know too much about non U.S rattlesnakes so I am not qualified to give my opinion on them. I hope this helps and good luck with the rattlers.
p.s. Hows the atrox doing?
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by tj on July 14, 2005
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If we are talking about ANY species of rattlesnake, a durissus would be on the top of my list. Their neuro's are extremely potent, they do however, have very effective serum for that complex. Although if one were to take a bite in the field, you'd be in a whole heap of trouble. As far as US rattlesnakes go, I'd put southern horridus, atrox, certain adamanteus, mojave, and northern horridus as my top five, with helleri gaining more and more respect.
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by Phobos on July 14, 2005
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Alex:
Horridus causes the most fatalities but Atrox causes the most local tissue distruction, usually amplplified by some physician doing a Faciaotomy.
Having had a sip of Horridus venom, I can tell you it was no picnic to endure.
Al
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by Snake18 on July 14, 2005
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Thanks guys. Your answers were more or less what I expected to get. I don`t think I`ll ever keep durissus, I`ve seen a couple and they scared the crap out of me(I hope this is not considered as vulgar language; I won`t use it anymore if that`s the case). I do however want to keep Bothrops(even if they are "evil" :) ). But, as far as rattlers are concerned I`ll probably stick to the species I mentioned in my initial post.
One mor question: What do you guys know about Crotalus lepidus bites ? They are among my favorite snakes, no one has them in Romania and I didn`t hear that much about their venom. Mortality rate, most common envenomation simptoms, etc...
Hi Jeremmy. My atrox is doing great. I`ve never seen mice die so soon after a bite. In some cases it only takes 1-2 seconds fo the mouse to die after being bitten. It`s a little dumb cause it takes it up to an hour to swalow the mice and it doesn`t take pre-killed mice.
Thanks to all, Alex S.
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by Cro on July 14, 2005
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Alex: It is great that you like lepidus, they are one of my favorites also. I especially like lepidus lepidus. In years past I caught a number of them in West Texas. I kept one over 26 years and another over 19 years.
As far as there bite, it can be very bad. Some folks have gotten bitten and had little effects, but others have had severe problems that were life threatning for a long time, and almost fatal.
Since they eat lizards as well as mice in the wild, I think that the venom might have some specifics for lizard immobilazation that could cause a lot of damage.
The good news, is that they are not very ill tempered and do not try to bite very much. They tend to become calm in captivity and make great captives.
There is also a dimorphism in l.lepidus where they come in different colors like grey, brown, reddish, tan, etc. These colors match the native rock colors on the rock outcropps they are found on, so that isolated, disjunct populations tend to match their surroundings. This is something that needs to be studied more, as it becomes really aparent if you find them in a lot of different locals.
Best of luck with them if you can find them in Romania. I am sure you will be very happy keeping them.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by Snake18 on July 15, 2005
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Hi John. Thanks for all the info. You can barely ffind anything in Romania. I am one of very few hot keepers here. I must say that C.lepidus is very simillar to Vipera ammodytes ammodytes. By this, I`m reffering to their dimorphism and ecology. I especialy like the tan ones ;) Keep safe, Alex S.
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by bush_viper17 on July 15, 2005
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This is a question I have and I will ask it here because I dont want to start a new thread about it. Does anyone in the North Georgia area breed and sell Trans-Pecos copperheads? I have wanted one for some time and I will pay top dollar for a beautiful specimin. I have decided to keep copperheads and I am going to invest in a good cage home made cage. I plan on putting about $1500 into building the cage. I have an extra room and I am thinking about making a 8'x8' enclosure with home made rock outcrops,waterfalls,basking areas etc. I want to make it look as realistic as possible. I would like to have a male and a female. It will take about a month or so to build the cage but if anyone breeds trans pecos copperheads keep me in mind. Thanks.
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