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RE: Poaching Outside Park Land? How?
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by ALA_herp31 on August 4, 2005
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Now, to put all Non-Venomous under Protection, even if only a few of these Species are Rare “makes no sense”. If you are going to put all the Snakes in a State under Protection, at least add the ones that need it the most. In this I mean Venomous Snakes. They go throe more persecution than Non-Vens do. It just don’t make any sense to me that Anyone would consider doing such a Stupid thing. I mean why not just Kill the Venomous Population and save the Non-venomous “makes a lot of sense huuu”? What really makes this bad, is that the Individuals Involved in passing this Law, work with this Animals and we all know that they would know the truth, that Venomous Snakes are in more Danger than Non-Venomous. Common Sense plays no roll in this world any more “are at least it seems that way”. ............................Be safe ya’ll, happy herping Wally
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by tj on August 4, 2005
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"why do ya wanna go out and catch them any way aint we supposed to be protecting these animals not snacthing them from there natrual habitat."
It's simple. There are many people who are too freakin' cheap to actually pay the money for a captive bred snake when they can just take it from the wild.
Or take them so they can sell them and try to make a buck off of it. It sickens me when I see some people in the many classified's that are selling wild-caught snakes that can easily be bred in captivity. Most have the mentality that there are endless populations of snakes.
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by BGF on August 4, 2005
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Most of the laws on the book have no conservation value and actually impede conservation. People will only conserve what they know and more animals in captivity means more opportunities for education. Most of the snakes breed very well in captivity and captive bred are preferred over wild caught by the market anyway due to availalbility of specific colour morphs, sexes as well as healthier, parasite free animals. So there is already a strong pressure towards captive bred vs. wild caught. Blanket banning the keeping of natives therefore does more harm than good as a result of missed educational opportunities for only trivial conservation benefit. If they really wanted to be serious about protecting them, then they should crack down what is by far the greatest threat: habitat destruction.
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Bryan
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Anonymous post on August 4, 2005
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Hey Keyz, everytime you post anonymous, we know its you. Your English is just as bad as your posted replies. As far as "blending in", dont waste your time. We all know its you with your very bad broken English. This isnt meant to be a "dig" in the ribs. Just call it how I see it.
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Anonymous post on August 5, 2005
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Keyz, I am beginning to think you are just another European bastard. Eat a potatoe, put the techno on low, sip some vodka, and fall into a sweet slumber. And dream about an American boot print on your pasty ass...pucker up butter cup.
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by bush_viper17 on August 5, 2005
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I agree and disagree with keeping wild caught animals. The part I do agree on is if there is some purpose of taking the animal,(scientific study,adding to a breeding project etc.) but some people I know take everything they see out of the wild only to keep it for a month or so and half starve it and then release it far away from where it was found. I also dont see why anyone would want to take extremely rare wild caught animals when they cant get better specimins from shows,internet etc. However, it is in my opinion o.k to take color morphs from the wild, because most of the time they add diversity to captive bred projects and something like an albino probably wouldnt survive long anyway. Thats my opinion though. I am not trying to preach or persuade anyone to do anything. THanks.
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by ALA_herp31 on August 5, 2005
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Jeremy, I agree with you. I do not think it bad to remove a Specimen to Study it or Breed it for Research Purposes. Now, as for Collecting to Keep as Pets “I strongly disagree with this reason”. It seems to me that if you Keep the Animal, you have a Obligation to at least help Propagate the Species. It could be the best way to keep our Beloved Reptiles on this damn Earth..........Be safe ya’ll, happy herping Wally
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by bush_viper17 on August 6, 2005
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I also look at it like this. If you take it out of the wild, it is as good as dead unless the one you take out of the wild will help secure the future of a species(captive breeding projects etc.) I cant point the finger at the people who do collect wildcaught animals because I myself have done it plenty of times. I would actually go as far as saying everyone here has and most likely still does collect wild caught animals just for the purpose of having them. Its part of the fascinating but when it gets to the point that you take things that you dont even need or collect just to give away or sell it is rediculous. Sometimes we go against our own beliefs, for example, some people say that they "saved" a snake off the road but instead of putting a safe distance from the road they take it home and put it in a cage. Now that animal is out of the gene pool and is as usless as it would have been if it got killed on the road.
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