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Is this a realistic situation? (Involves venom)
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by Melk on October 21, 2005
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Heard a story online about someone who was bitten by an Eastern Diamondback rattlesnake. I just wanted to check out what was going on. Google certainly wasn’t any help, so I’m turning to you and hoping that you can give me an answer to a couple questions. The situation is as follows:
Victim began coughing up blood between September 30th and October 6th. He noticed the blood on October 6th and began to cough up significant quantities of blood. He planned on going to the hospital at 11:17 AM to see what was going on, but the hospital was closed.
By 2:52, he had been to the hospital, where he was given an "antidote" in the nick of time.
By October 9th he gave the following explanation as to his condition:
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I probably whacked [the snake] or something since it hit me in my sleep and I thrash...anyway, I sleep like a rock so I didn’t feel the bite, and it was a small snake, so I didn’t see the venom or bite until it got nasty. The doctor’s found it and I was lucky they had a specialist for snakes in the poison controle section.
The nurse saw the bite and I was transfered to the poison controle area and got the antidote in time. Still a bit weak, and I’m going to the hospital tommarrow so I can get blood-work done to see if the venom is still in there and I need further treatment, but the doctor’s and specialist highly doubt it.
By October 16th, he began to have a "relapse" with the following symptoms:
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I’m tasting blood in my mouth again, and the venom part of the test isn’t done yet...I also hacked up a few droplets just now. This is how it started the last time...
By October 20th, he was in the hospital again with the following symptoms:
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Coughing up blood, 102 degree fever, internal bleeding--the reason [he’s] coughing up blood--passing out, severe chest pains--screaming so hard last night I had to call 911 after said person passed out--and the list goes on...They don’t know the snake, but they’re calling in a specialist.
We’re on an unknown--I didn’t ask--time frame to find an antidote...
The following information was given on the 20th:
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Bigger problem...they made a discovery that they have six months to figure out the venom and make the antidote if they don’t already have it, and six months and 24 hours to administer it.
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I kissed [him] before we knew said person was poisoned...and I just coughed up a droplet of blood...The hospital’s way to full for me to go in there just yet, and we already know there’s nothing they can do until they find out the snake. I’ll be joining [him] soon if this keeps up...I already have a slight fever, too...
By the 21st, victim had a fever of 104 degrees. The snake was somehow identified as an Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake. The hospital obtained Eastern Diamondback antidote on the same day and administered the poison. Victim was recovering by afternoon.
And that’s it.
So, what we have here is the following:
1. Victim is bitten in sleep. The only noticeable symptoms are small droplets of blood from coughing.
2. Victim goes to hospital and is given an antidote.
3. Several days later, they go into a "relapse" with 102-degree fevers and chest pains. Unless they get an antidote, they will die.
4. By the next day or so, victim has fever of 104 degrees. Based on symptoms, the hospital identifies the snake as an eastern diamondback rattlesnake and administers anti-venin. Patient recovers.
So what do you think of this? I know it’s a lot of information to handle, but please bear with me. Thanks for reading through this.
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by Cro on October 21, 2005
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We have another urban legend from the internet. Nothing about this post rings true.
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by Melk on October 21, 2005
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Thanks for your time. I'd like to write this off as an urban legend, but it's a firsthand account. What tipped you off that this was a fake?
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by Cro on October 21, 2005
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Firsthand accounts are mostly meaningless.
I know folks who can give firsthand accounts of Alien Little Green Men landing in a Space Ship in their back yard!
I know people who swear they have seen people step into a ``nest`` of venomous snakes and get bitten thirty times and die.
I know people who have had a ``hoop snake`` put its tail in its mouth and form a loop, and roll like a bike tire and chase them!
Someone would not sleep through a snake bite from an eastern diamondback rattlesnake, it is like having red hot poker stuck into them.
All the stuff about little droplets of blood from the lungs are nothing like a real snake bite.
All the stuff about trying to find out the kind of snake and kind of anti-venin are meaningless, as the same serum is used for all North American Crotalid bites.
How much did the first-hand person telling you the story have to drink, before he told you this tale?
And how much did you have to drink, before hearing the story from him?
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by Melk on October 21, 2005
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No, that's exactly what I was looking for. Rest assured, no alcohol was involved.
Thank you for all your help. I really appreciate it.
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by LarryDFishel on October 21, 2005
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On top of that, it seems to say (a little sketchy) that someone "caught" whatever he had by kissing him, which is ludicrous.
I don't see a single thing in the story that sounds like a snake bite. Tuberculosis or something maybe, but not a snake bite. Much more likely fiction from beginning to end...
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by bush_viper17 on October 22, 2005
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This is off subject, but I thought that I would post it here anyway because it involves a "myth" about cottonmouths. People swear with everything they have that they know someone that got killed by a nest of cottonmouths at a nearby lake. I live out of cottonmouth range, so I tell the people that tell me that story to go to any hospital in the area and find one report of someone being bitten by a cottonmouth and I will pay them if they do.
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by David_Eakin on October 22, 2005
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FYI
The American Association of Poison Control Centers (AAPCC) has reported no mortality from moccasin envenomation since its first annual report in 1983. Generally, moccasin envenomation is associated with low morbidity and mortality rates.
Source: http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic539.htm
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by keyz on October 23, 2005
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If we cant take witness account or even first hand explanations then surely we should have to release all prisoners held on witness statements etc. obviously ALIEN issues are far from this site (Ihope) but even then the people who film or claim to see ufo's etc, stand to make money from there so called accounts of what happened but as in all things some people cant help but fabricate events, But all I am trying to say is we have to treat everything with scepticism until real proof apears,so I am back to where I started with witness statemens and eye witness acounts. regards KEYZ.
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by pygmybait on October 25, 2005
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Recurrent Coagulopathy? A friend of mine was bitten a couple of years ago by a Durissus and experienced some pretty severe bleeding almost a week after he was released from Shands in Jacksonville. He was given Crofab initially but the toxicoligist didn't like what he was seeing in his labs so they administered Wyeth polyvalent and that seemed to fix him up. Of course, he experienced the joys of serum sickness after about four days and eveutually started to bleed from several open cuts and his gums, nose and one other unpleasant place...It landed him in the hospital for another four days with a fever (up to 102) and other flu like symptoms. I wonder if the account you are speaking of wasn't someone's re-telling and exageration of an actual bite? I can tell you one thing for sure, God has not made a an yet who could sleep through an Eastern Diamondback bite. They're a bit painful and stingy... : )
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