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by leid on June 29, 2006
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We have a guy that was bitten by a very small snake in FL. He has shown definite signs of envenomation: swollen foot, small toe turned black. Can you give positive ID?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/recon_jack/mockissan.jpg
Thanks,
Carey
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by Cro on June 29, 2006
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Carey: As Jeremy stated, the snake photo you supplied does not look like any venomous snake native to Florida. It is not a Cottonmouth, it is not a Copperhead, it is not a Rattlesnake, and it is not a Coral Snake.
However, there is the slight possibility that this is an exotic snake that excaped from someones collection. I tried to blow up and sharpen the photo in Photoshop, but the quality of the photo you submitted is just not good enough for any kind of positive identification. I am seeing some detail though that makes me suspicious that there is a slight chance that it might be an excaped exotic.
You need to do a few more things. First, fill in your Profile. That way we know what part of Florida you are in. We have many members in that state, and perhaps one of them lives near enough to you to come by and identify the snake for you.
You need to try to get a better photograph of the snake and upload it again. Take the snake and coil it around so it all fits in the photo, and so that we can see the pattern on its head and back. Move it into the sun, or have someone hold a light on it while you take the photo. Try to use a better quality digital camera.
After you photograph it, put it in a zip lock bag and freeze it.
Give us more details on how someone was bitten on his little toe by this snake.
There are many here who would like to help, but you have just not provided enough information for us to work with.
If it did envenomate someone, it is important that a positive identification is made of the snake.
Hope this helps. JohnZ
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by Chris_Harper on June 29, 2006
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I can't think of a species that looks remotely like that, that would cause edema and necrosis. It's too slender to be any viperid, and it's not a Naja.
Let's see a pic of the toe, and if possible a hi-res photo of the snake.
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by ALA_snake33 on June 29, 2006
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First off the Photo is a little too fussy to make a good ID, and please don’t hold me to what I am going to say. In some ways the Snake resembles a Boomslang (Dispholidus typus), but I have never heard of a Boomslang causing that kind of Physical Damage, have any of you? I do agree with Chris and John tho, if you can take a better Photo, it would help a lot more. In any case, I can tell you that it is not a FL Native. Anyway, Chris and John: ya’ll look closely at the Head of this Snake she has Posted and see if ya’ll see the same thing I do. It has a Head that is very reminiscent of a Boomslang “to me anyway “lol”. ....................Be Safe Ya’ll, Happy Herping : Wally
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by Cro on June 29, 2006
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Wally: You are seeing exactly what I saw. There is something about the head of that snake that is just not right. It is too big for the body size. And since the snake is in Florida, where a lot of exotic snakes are kept, there is a remote chance that it is an exotic snake that excaped.
The swelling and toe that turned black does not fit a boomslang bite, but the overall lenght of the snake, and head size, is somewhat suggestive of a boomslang or other tropical vine type snake. I think there is the possibility that this is an exotic snake. Stranger things have happened, expecially in Florida. After all, they have Burmese Pythons being found in the everglades.
I sure hope that better photos of the snake can be posted, or that one of our Florida members lives near enough to visit and positivily identify the snake.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by LarryDFishel on June 29, 2006
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After blowing up the picture and adjusting brightness/contrast, I'm 95% sure this is an underexposed picture of a Dekay's Snake (Storeria dekayi) with a smooshed head. So, it's either a hoax or the snakes just happened to be around when he was bitten by something else. I better picture with more light and the snake's head flipped upright would help...
http://www.madprogrammer.com/snakes/pics/mockissanfixed.jpg
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by LarryDFishel on June 29, 2006
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For the original poster, here's a pretty good picture of what they look like when they're alive. They can vary quite a bit from one area to another, with more or less stripe, larger or smaller spots and more or less banding on the head.
http://www.dlia.org/atbi/species/animals/vertebrates/reptiles/images/Storeria_dekayi4.JPG
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by Cro on June 30, 2006
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After seeing the improved image Larry created, the snake does look a lot like a Storeria with a flattened head.
It will be interesting to see if any more photos of the snake or the ``bite`` are posted.
JohnZ
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