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by LarryDFishel on June 30, 2006
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I also fogot to mention for the original poster that the Dekay's snake is completely harmless (unless you're a slug or a snail).
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by RepFan on June 30, 2006
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Larry,
I also agree with your identification. Thanks for taking the time to improve the photo and also for finding a photo for comparison. Now, that's the kind of replies I like to see.
Kudos,
Todd
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by leid on June 30, 2006
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Sorry to be late in replying. Had to go to work. This is a pic of the individual's foot shortly after the bite. He became very ill and toe turned black. He thinks this is a water moccasin. I was a biologist in Louisiana many years ago, and I do not agree. Then again, I have not had many dealings with them as juveniles. We started seeing exotics in the '70s, but I can only recognize some of them as adults. Bite was to his right little toe. He thought he was being bitten by ants, looked down to find this tiny snake.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ollenagain.jpg.
He has been to the hospital and they gave him no antivenin. This is now a week later and he still had swelling, discoloration, blurred vision, and an unquenchable thirst. I advised him to go see another MD. But first have to find out what species he is dealing with if not a tiny moccasin. He has another pic of head I will put up. Take a look.
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Carey
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by Cro on June 30, 2006
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Carey: Thanks for filling out your profile.
Unfortunatly, none of the photo links you posted seem to work.
There is no way that the snake is a Cottonmouth, or any other native venomous snake of Florida. The snake is just too long and skinny.
I still have not ruled out some exotic venomous snake that excaped, especially with the symptoms of envenomation that you described, although the improvements by Larry on the image do tend to suggest a common harmless brown snake with a flattened head.
And it is possible that your friend got bitten by something else like a spider or scorpeon, and the snake just happened to be there. The way you describe it, it would seem that he is saying he did not see the actual snake bite him ?
Can you check the links again and make sure the photos will post? We would sure like to see them.
If you can do that, there is a great possibility that this can be solved.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by LarryDFishel on June 30, 2006
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Your last link was busted, but I found the pic. Here it is after a little enhancement. I'm still pretty sure it's a Dekay's Snake.
http://www.madprogrammer.com/snakes/pics/mockissan2fixed.jpg
There is absolutely no chance that it is a moccasin. Here's what a baby moccasin looks like:
http://www.madprogrammer.com/snakes/pics/cotton1.jpg
I'd hate to venture a guess as to what but him, but was almost certainly not this snake.
By the way, even though it looks ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like a moccasin, it's not surprising that he thinks that's what it is. There are a surprising number of people in the south that think any snake they see must be a moccasin. In other parts of the country people would be just as certain that it was a rattlesnake (they rattle their tails like nearly all snakes).
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by Phobos on July 1, 2006
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I agree with larry, it's a harmless snake. Your friend has some sort of reaction to something but not a Cottonmouth.
Al
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by GREGLONGHURST on July 2, 2006
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Count me in with Larry & Al. No way that is a young cottonmouth..and most likely no way it is anything other than Storeria dekayi victa. Now, according to research done primarily by Dr. Bryan Grieg Fry, an awful lot of colubrids are in possession of Duvernoy's glands & are capable of injecting a mild venom. There is a slim possibility that this is what happened in this instance. I doubt it, but cannot rule it out. He may very well have been bitten by something else..probably an insect or arachnid nad discovered the snake, then came to the wrong conclusion. The assumption that the snake was a cottonmouth is obviously a wrong one. Why anyone would identify a snake that is thinner than a man's finger as a cottonmouth is beyond me.
~~Greg~~
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by Cro on July 2, 2006
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Larry: You did an excellent job of bringing out the details of the second photo. It does look like a Dekay's Snake in the enhanced version.
Best Regards JohnZ
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