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Sudden interest in care sheets
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by captiveherps on November 8, 2006
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I may sound like an ahole here, but what is with all the interest in care sheets all of a sudden. If someone needs a care sheet inorder to look after a venomous snake, then they have no business keeping such a snake. Anyone who has the experience required to maintain a venomous collection should know the basic husbandry information provided by care sheets.
Care sheets started off at a time when knowledge about reptiles was very basic. Later they were helpful when reptiles became a fad pet in the late 80's to help people that knew nothing about reptiles care for them.
Now that good information is available all over the internet, care sheets are obsolete.
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by idioteque4444 on November 8, 2006
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Jim,
For you to say, "if someone needs a care sheet inorder to look after a venomous snake, then they have no business keeping such a snake". Is like someone saying you shouldn't be allowed to drive is you need to look at a map!
The care sheets are to help keepers of venomous or non-venomous to learn more about the proper husbandry of that paticular reptile. It is information shared from keeper to keeper. Care sheets in no way provide experience for any animal.
SAL @ WNCHerps
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by timberrattlesnake89 on November 8, 2006
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I think the best thing about care sheets are for making the best of the reptiles captive life. Most venomous keepers have no problem keeping the animal. What care sheets help though is the fact that there might be slight things that could help improve the life of a captive reptile. If a snake needs more humidity it is hard to really know without care sheets. Its like if you have keep EDBs and Canes your whole life but what to get into Sidewinders and some of the western rattlesnakes. They need a whole different habitat. Like a lot less humidity and only drink from rain drops. All these things could help improve the health of a snake. Care sheets are also usefull when dealing with breeding.
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by 91C2 on November 8, 2006
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Help me understand your thoughts, please.
By denouncing caresheets, you denounce education??
People should not have caresheets? So, were you born with instinctual knowledge as to properly and competently care for venomous reptiles? and you needed NO instruction?
I am all for care sheets, venomous or not. These are shared information and expirience; something that benefits everyone, even those that don't house snakes.
All to often, new people want to enter the hobby of caring for reptiles, venomous or not, and self rightous people start screaming they have no business even thinking about it. Why?
Everyone has a starting point in this and as a community, it is our responsiblity to ensure the newcomers are properly educated and well informed. Failure to do so only weakens our goals of being able to legally have the animals.
But, when folks refuse to help or are rude to the newcomers, these newbies are left to strike out on their own, potentially killing themselves-- and our hobby.
There is not a single person here that can say they were born with full knowledge and they needed nothing from anyone, so its time people started acepting the newcomers and teaching them properly.
Care sheets are invaluable, pass them on, share them, use them. And stop beating the new guys. They are the future of this hobby.
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by kacz on November 9, 2006
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How about the novice taking the next step? The responsible new herper wants to expand their horizons, not become a slave to the hobby. We all have constraints and limitations on our time and resources. What better way to choose before you buy, than to peruse the care sheets and make an informed decision?
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by GREGLONGHURST on November 9, 2006
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If I seem out of line here, please forgive me. Are these "care sheets" supposed to be a small part of the general research on the species one is planning on keeping, or are they to be used as a short-cut around such other reading?
I ask this because I have kept snakes, both venomous & non-venomous, as both a hobbyist & professionally, since 1954, and have never seen a care sheet. I have read a helluva lot of books & spoken to a lot of people concerning proper husbandry of snakes. There are some snakes out there that I would never consider keeping, for various reasons, such as potential lethality, expense or inavailability of antivenin, or inability in my area of setting up proper climatic conditions for the snakes.
A "care sheet" for Pseudohaje goldii might tell you that the preferred diet is ranid frogs, & give you a temperature range that would not be difficult to duplicate. What it would not tell you is that they are more like a mamba in their build & speed, & have the disposition of a polylepis with its tail caught in a bear trap. Without that latter bit of information, someone might draw the conclusion that they would not be all that hard to keep.
~~Greg~~
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by Rob_Carmichael on November 9, 2006
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Greg, you are definitely not out of line. I, too, am a bit confused by this thread because like you, having been in this as a hobbyist and professional (and still do so) I haven't seen a care sheet either other than a few sold at pet stores that weren't worth crap. I do, however, have a massive library of books and literature that I peruse on a regular basis. There are some excellent internet tools to use at one's disposal (and it's just not herp stuff...learn various geologic/weather tools and you can learn a lot about the animals you keep). Heck, even some of my "oldies" have some modern day application. Are these "care sheets" something that is printed on a hard copy and mailed to someone wishing to have this "care sheet"?....I am really not getting it. The prospective owner should be responsible for taking the initiative in doing a thorough research/investigation of the animal they wish to keep. There is absolutely NO excuse to not be able to find loads of information on just about any species...it just may not be called a "care sheet". "Back in the day", there was very little information and we were forced to actually use the phone and call other keepers/professionals and TALK TO THEM in a one to one manner; I know that's quite a novelty these days as no one likes to really talk to someone on the phone - the thought of having a real conversation - scary:-). But, with the internet and all of its resources, massive library systems, many herp societies, etc. etc. etc. etc there is no excuse to not be well informed; it just may not be called a "care sheet".
Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center
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by hoyta on November 9, 2006
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MAYBE I WAS WRONG TO BRING UP THE CARE SHEET IDEA IN THE FIRST PLACE...
the reasoning behind it was to post it, and we could alwasy direct the newer people to them when they ask the same questions over and over. also we could make a book, and sell it to fund the shhs... with a disclaimier of course. i never intended it to be for kids coming in with no experience to think we approve of them keeping hots...
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