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Heads up everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!F&G
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by jared on October 3, 2002
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Just giving everyone the FYI. As i had suspected, Federal F&G has been monitoring forums and posting for sale and wanted adds for ILLEGAL specimens or in restricted areas. Just giving everyone the heads up, THESE ARE FEDERAL STING OPERATIONS! I had this brought to my attention from some reliable sources and I am just letting everyone know, KNOW YOUR STATE LAWS, THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TICKETED!!!! If you are selling illegally be aware that F&G is working with some breeders as well and are cracking down on wildlife trafficking. It is not worth it to loose your animals to make a quick $50! Please abide by state laws and just be aware that this is going on. later guys,
jared w
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by Buzztail1 on October 5, 2002
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Jared,
This was once a big issue on the kingsnake classifieds and there was a great hue and cry about F&G lurking in the forums and the classifieds. That was years ago and now I don't even consciously think about it anymore.
Realistically, I think if you're going to break the laws regarding keeping herps, you're taking your own chances. If you're going to advertise that you're breaking the law on a public forum or classified section, then I believe you deserve to get caught just for being stupid.
We tell people that they need to learn as much as they can about any animal before they get it. That includes whether or not it is legal to have it, buy it, sell it, etc.
All-in-all, I agree with you: everyone needs to abide by their state laws and be wary of who they buy animals from. That would pretty much alleviate any possibility of any problems resulting from any ads on our site.
Karl
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by TomT on October 7, 2002
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When I originally read this, I thought... so?
If we can't buy, sell and trade LEGALLY acquired animals, then I'm inclined to agree with what Karl said.... we probably deserve to get caught.
When I was bitten, the Game Wardens and Sheriff came to my house to look for game law violations. The only thing they could come up with was I (actually my wife) had two too many Eastern Box Turtles.... not exactly front page news here in Virginia. Since that time, I can't even get the local law enforcement folks to give me the time of day, really..... I was front page news for getting bit, but none of the nearly 65 venomous snakes I had were illegal.....
Let the buyer, and seller, beware that if we can't deal within the confines of the law, and in most cases the law is fairly liberal when it comes to keeping reptiles, then we should be smacked down a peg or two to force us back in-line with the rule of law.
In Virginia, I am limited to keeping a maximum of five(5) of any indigenous species, unless I have permits to keep more. I am also restricted in what I can sell, as a result of the animal's status (indigenous or not). I can *GIVE* away as many as five of any indigenous animal, as long as there is no compensation for the animal expected or implied as a result of the "gift."
I have given away a dozen or so Eastern Box Turtles, several Spotted turtles, and about 50 copperheads (captive bred here)..... Each time I have given away animals, I have expressly informed the recipient of the gift that I can IN NO WAY be compensated for the animals..... They can't "give" me something in return.... They can't give me a "discount" on something they have for sale, and they can't "give" me a gift of money, or do anything to compensate me. If the person can't accept a gift, then they can't take animals from me..... You'd be surprised how many people really can't just accept a gift!!
Right now, I have some Eastern Cottonmouth babies that I'd give away (three left) if anyone is interested, they can contact me......
Fear the law enforcers only if you break the law.....
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by fizzbob7 on October 8, 2002
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in alabama, the laws suck....only native venomous are allowed but over half the counties dont allow anything and some not even large pythons....i can legally go out and buy an african lion though, even in my county.....that makes sense....but to ensure that i can even keep native species in the future i have to do what the morons in charge say or else.....too bad that people dont care about reptiles around here....just me, bill and a couple of other folks....poor widdle biddie snakes.....but what can you do....do as you wish and its just another black eye on our hobby....
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by wls967 on October 9, 2002
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Ricky, I think you are under-stating it. In Alabama, both our eyes are black, our nose is broken and we've been kicked in the groin, but hey, at least they didn't ban vens altogether...but it never even went thru the legislature. No one even had a chance to lobby for us. I understand that S.C., my home state, is now considering a permit system. I have no problem with a reasonable permit system as long as it allows competent and able hobbyist(there's that word again Jared), enthusiast and professionals to keep them while preventing someone from buying a cobra just because they're cool..... Well, to get to the original point, I know that I am legal. I had concerns about selling native WC specimens. I contacted the AL. Dept. of Conservation and Natural Resources and ask them specifically this...."Can I sell native wild caught species?" I explained my situation, and this is the reply I got from DCNR.
William,
Native poisonous snakes can be sold. There is no regulation against selling Cottonmouths, Rattlesnakes, or Copperheads in Alabama.
Thanks,
Gene Houston
Assistant Chief, Enforcement Section
Well, enough babble. Thanks for the props Ricky. How are the Caneys?
Happy Herping,
wls
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