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by Crotalusssp on September 24, 2007
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Can anyone point me in the direction to where I might find a comparative between Timbers in different geographic locations? The timbers found in southern areas, sometimes called Canebrakes, have evolved a slightly different cocktail haven't they? Thanks.
Charles
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by Cro on September 24, 2007
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Charles, if you have access to some of the educational and medical librarys through your school or university librarys, you might want to log into the database and read this article:
2 JL Glenn, C Straight and TB Wolt, Regional variation in the presence of canebrake toxin in Crotalus horridus venom, Comp Biochem Physiol C Pharmacol ...
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1096286706000697
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0196064497701082
Hope this helps.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by tj on September 24, 2007
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"The timbers found in southern areas, sometimes called Canebrakes, have evolved a slightly different cocktail haven't they?"
Slightly isn't the word for it........extremely is more like it. Certain SC, GA, and FL horridus have developed some ridiculously potent venom. Those are the last snakes in the U.S. I'd like to get bitten by.
They have some real quick knock down power.
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by ChuckHurd on September 24, 2007
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i have a horridus collection that ranges from NY to FL. if you have the means to conduct tests, i can provide you raw venom samples. in my life i have kept all manner of venomous snakes, from the african to the asain to the downunder bad boys. i have never seen a faster kill then from my ga canebrake. i have a male from the ga/sc line. he is unusually large...pushing 5 feet with a tapered rattle (that means he is still growing) I threw about a 350 gram rat in once. The rat jumped, he bit it in air and it was dead when hit the ground. landed on its back, hind legs kicking, but dead. never seen anything like it.
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by Crotalusssp on September 25, 2007
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Chuck, I really appreciate the offer, but my testing resources are fairly limited. I am interested more because of the range I live in and the snakes I encounter. I was looking for a comparative like the articles John listed. I too have heard stories from around here of Timber bites that were especially nasty and did not respond well to antivenin. For this reason I am always more much wary with Timbers then the Agkistrodons I come into contact with.
Charles
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by AquaHerp on September 25, 2007
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A horridus from any local can knock you down reasonably well. The very statement that you are more careful with one venomous snake over another though, might cause you to rethink how you are dealing with these animals in the first place. One should be afforded no less respect whatsoever than another......period. Good way to lose a finger, arm, or worse.
DH
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