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by tigers9 on February 24, 2008
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Terry Phillip wrote:
<<Look at this website and tell me that you are any different?
http://www.upc-online.org/ >>
YES, absolutely, 180 degrees different, AR try to win your sympathy and get you on their side with pure propaganda and emotions. If you go thru www.REXANO.org site, you will see it is based on facts and actual hard data.
However, I was intrigued why you would mention this particular UPC chicken group, so being into facts and research, I did my research for your facility and the AR group site and what you shared in common ; what is ‘chicken basketball’? Can I see video or pictures? Email privately please so we are not too off topic here tigers9@cox.net
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http://www.upc-online.org/nr/32806reptilegardens.html
United Poultry Concerns
PO Box 150 • Machipongo, VA 23405-0150
www.UPC-online.org
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
28 March 2006 Contact: Karen Davis 757-678-7875
United Poultry Concerns Urges South Dakota's Reptile Gardens Tourist Attraction to Drop Chicken “Basketball”
Rapid City, S.D. March 28. – On Oct. 31, 2005, United Poultry Concerns (UPC) received an email complaint that Reptile Gardens, a tourist attraction near Rapid City, made chickens play “basketball” and “tic tac toe” locked inside slot machines; the birds were trying “frantically and pathetically” to complete the games, the writer told UPC.
On March 9 and March 22, UPC wrote to Reptile Gardens president Joe Maierhauser urging that the chicken “basketball” and “tic tac toe” games be eliminated from the company’s attractions when business reopens on April 1.
In a March 9 email, Mr. Maierhauser told UPC, “Just this past year we closed our trained animal shows” because it “seems the general public is no longer interested.” UPC said this is an encouraging sign that the public is growing more interested in what animals do naturally in their own habitats and in refuges that seek to reproduce more natural environments than in watching animals perform sterile tricks locked in cages.
UPC urged Reptile Gardens to honor its claim to educate the public about the animals it houses by closing chicken basketball and tic tac toe the same as it closed its other trained animal shows. UPC asked Reptile Gardens to develop alternative programs that teach respect for the relationship that chickens and other birds share with reptiles in the course of evolution.
“Chicken basketball and tic tac toe should have no place at Reptile Gardens,” said UPC president Karen Davis. “These games contradict the wholesome family outing image fostered by the company. No animal should be presented to the public as a slot-machine gadget.”
In response to an action alert, UPC members have been writing to Reptile Gardens urging that the demeaning chicken “basketball” and “tic tac toe” be eliminated as a tourist attraction.
Contact: Karen Davis, 757-678-7875, United Poultry Concerns, PO Box 150, Machipongo, VA 23405, Karen@upc-online.org
United Poultry Concerns is a nonprofit organization that promotes the compassionate and respectful treatment of domestic fowl. http://www.upc-online.org
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http://www.upc-online.org/winterspring06/reptilegardens.html
Urge Reptile Gardens in Rapid City, South Dakota to Drop Chicken Basketball and Tic Tac Toe Games
Founded in 1937, the Black Hills Reptile Gardens (www.reptilegardens.com) is a family-owned tourist attraction located 6 miles south of Rapid City on US 16. Open from April 1 - December 31, it has several shows daily with rattlesnakes, alligators, birds of prey, and many types of farmed animals including chickens. In October 2005, UPC received a complaint about the use of chickens to play “basketball.” Chickens were observed “each locked in small glass boxes being forced to do tricks in the boxes for food and provided no water.” They had “bare chests from rubbing against the wire to perform the tricks.” When a tourist puts a quarter in the slot, “a ball comes into the cage and the chickens must make a certain number of baskets with the ball.” According to the observer, “the chickens were trying frantically and pathetically to complete the games. Another chicken had to play tic tac toe.” A complaint to the owners was unavailing.
United Poultry Concerns immediately asked the Humane Society of the Black Hills to investigate and report on the chicken “basketball” and tic tac toe games. While noting that the chickens (when not performing) live in cages “stacked on large wheeled racks with metal trays between levels” filled with sawdust to absorb droppings, the Humane Society wrote back a glowing report on Reptile Gardens and its animal care program.
Urge Reptile Gardens to eliminate chicken “basketball” and tic tac toe from its tourist attractions, and urge the Humane Society of the Black Hills to use its authority to stop these cruel, demeaning, and absurd entertainments. The society’s mission includes “the extension of humane education for the public.” Forcing chickens to play “basketball” and tic-tac toe in glass cages to amuse tourists is not humane education: it’s animal abuse. o
Politely request written replies to your concerns.
Contact:
Joe Maierhauser, President & CEO
Reptile Gardens
PO Box 620
Rapid City, SD 57709
Phone: 605-342-5873 or 1-800-335-0275
Fax: 605-342-6249
Email: www.reptilegardens.com/contactus.html
Serena Heger, Acting Executive Director
Humane Society of the Black Hills
1820 E. St. Patrick Street
Rapid City, SD 57703-4142
Phone: 605-394-6906 or 1-800-580-HSBH (4724)
Fax: 605-355-3430
Email: Info@bhhumanesociety.org
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by stopgetinpopped on February 24, 2008
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I mentioned that group for the similarities.
Rights Activist.
Blindly pursuing what they feel is right. Not being able to see the other side of anything.
Blindly pursuing anything is not the wise road to Victory.
Besides that group was a hoot...I got a great laugh on it.
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by tigers9 on February 24, 2008
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There is still that 180 degrees different, I am trying to protect my own rights, I just want to be left alone, I do Not wish to take anybodys else’s rights away. If I am left alone, I leave you alone, just let me choose my own destiny.
AR groups want to take others rights away by forcing the rest to see/act the way THEY do.
BIG difference.
There is nothing wrong with protecting MY rights, as I do Not push it on others, I am not forcing anybody to get an exotic pet.
AR want to force their way of life on others, I DO NOT.
BIG DIFFERENCE.
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by tigers9 on February 24, 2008
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it is your opinion I do it blindly, but it is not a fact...
But if I want to be blind, it is my right and your opinion doesn't matter, that is the whole point, personal rights, not your opinion of how I should act protecting my rights.
And yes, it is your right trying to have the last word and try hard to win thsi argument ;-)
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PS: can I see the chicken pictures PLEASE?
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by stopgetinpopped on February 24, 2008
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I don't see this as argueing...but what the hey.
It's the opinions of those around you that do matter. They are the ones that vote, that make the laws, that complain etc... If you can't publically see where they are coming from and attempt to inform rather than fight, you will get nowhere.
I'm all for people keeping things responsibly, it's just simply that "most don't" and in this society. Majority rules.
Thats why it's important to get those that don't to do so properly. Rather than act just like the AR groups.
Aside that it is not your Right, but your priveledge.
Thats why they enact laws, someone has to protect us and those around us from ourselves.
So when laws are passed hopefully those that are responsible are able to be permitted. Thats where it boils down to how you present yourself to others.
And if my opinion doesn't matter, than you have already lost. If you can't listen to those that try to help than that is in fact your Right.
The chicken is a positive reinforcement 'act'...we also have a tic tac toe playin chicken... Look through the website. It's brand new so I don't know whats all on there yet..there might be a picture of the chickens there?
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so did I get the last word? or you gonna take it? :)
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by stopgetinpopped on February 24, 2008
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Oh, on a side note, the article that they put on their website (the chicken people) that you reposted. That was a cutup story, they eliminated the things that didn't show their own thoughts of course.
The best part was that they asked me to, and I quote "We would like to see you display the natural relationships between reptiles and chickens"
I almost couldn't contain myself...It was everything I could do to not go feed a bunch a baby chicks to the crocs or something haha! I simply asked them what is 'natural' for a piece of protoplasm -er I mean chicken :)
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by tigers9 on February 24, 2008
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If this was Saturday Night Live , Sprockets, and if I was Mike Myers and if I had a pet monkey, I would be saying now: "Your story has become tiresome. Do you want to touch my monkey? Touch the monkey! I'd like you to touch it!"
(too many iffs, just like the hysterical python map)
However, since I don;t have a monkey, I can not tell you to touch it, so you can have your last word and lets just agree to disagree. :)
I talk from personal experience, and no amount of well meaning folks 'trying to help" will change what I experienced in my life and what works for me.
I am a political refugee from a former communist country, I knwo first hand what well intentioned road to hell can do.
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by richardduckworth on February 25, 2008
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*********Aside that it is not your Right, but your priveledge.
Thats why they enact laws, someone has to protect us and those around us from ourselves.************
woah, woah, WOAH!!!
no one has to protect us from ourselves, that's the thing, because in doing so we lose freedom. why isn't it a right? because it's a venomous snake? why not REGULATE it? what have they accomplished by banning it? they end up with people who'd rather sit home and die rather than receive medical help for a bite from their illegal snake. they've forced everything to be secretive and singular, which means the moron who SHOULDN'T be keeping a snake will be doing it all the wrong way and totally endangering everyone.
technically, we have no rights. free speech can get you sued, imprisoned or in my case, targeted by local sheriffs.
take a look around.
like i've said, what do YOU have to lose by this legislation? not a lot. that puts you in a completely different place from where the amateur stands, doesn't it?
"paid experts" are damn near becoming the enemies.
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by stopgetinpopped on February 25, 2008
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I can't quite understand how you missed what was said?
The USFWS is running an inquiry into these snakes. Looking to make them an injurious species. If thats what they decide they will then be REGULATED.
So you don't lose any freedom. You have to prove that you are capable. knowledgeable, responsible and ethical.
If someone would rather stay at home and die from a bite rather than seek medical treatment than I would say it's pretty obvious that someone needs to protect them from themselves, wouldn't you?
As for the Morons -as you put it- that shouldn't be keeping them. That is the vast majority of those that do keep them.
There will always be illegal activity and stupid people.
You are correct, a right is not a right when it potentially effects someone else. You then infringe on their rights.
Why do I have to have something to lose in order for it to be important to me? I am not for banning of anything either - maybe thats what you seem to be missing- I think regulation is a very good idea. I have many capable friends who would lose out in a ban, does that make it important to me now?
I don't think anyone should be able to anything they want. Desire does not make one capable. I think they should have the right to choose to learn to do anything they want, as long as it is done responsibly more power to ya.
Your animosity towards those of us that do this as a career is misplaced, misquided, uninformed and naive. Most importantly, it is unfortunate.
LiKe I said earlier, it is a majority rules society. So, don't you think it would be best to advertise yourself as a professional, intelligent, ethical member of an organized community that is not the majority? Not screaming X-Files or the government is out to get me kind of crap?
The Gov. doesn't give a crap what you do as long as it doesn't make people climb up their butts. Thats where policing our own would have been wise a decade ago and still has value today. Yet no one is interested in doing so?
Confuses me.
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