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is this safe cobra handling in public?
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by tigers9 on February 24, 2008
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Just wondering, would this be considered safe cobra handling technique in a public setting with spectators only feet away?
Z
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pY8E7HYZNA&mode=related&search=
King Cobra at Reptile Gardens, South Dakota
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by Cro on February 24, 2008
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It appears a bit dangerous, however, the cobra is up on a elevatate stage, which is surrounded by a lower pit area, so that it if runs off the state it goes into the pit area and not into the face of the kids that look so close to it. Part of the problem is that the camera makes it look like the snake is very close to the kids, and could slide right over to them, and does not show the drop off the snake will go into, or just how wide the pit is.
Bill Hasst used to do shows at the Miami Serpentarium, and had folks sitting quite close to the front of stage out on the grass. I can remember being there when a huge black mamba got loose and cruised through the first 3 rows of tourists before Bill got control of it again. Snakes like King Cobras are not that fast, and are not that likely to get into the audience, as something like a mamba.
The folks who run the reptile park in SD are well respected, and are probably handeling the snake in a way that is fairly safe for the tourist. However, they might do a bit more to improve the safety from a potential snake that gets away from its handler in their reptile shows.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by stopgetinpopped on February 24, 2008
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For the Audience? yes. For the guy doing the show? So so, a little goofy but nothing dangerous.
How about this?
http://www.rexano.org//EA_FELINES.htm
Anything safe at all in these photos?
T-
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by LarryDFishel on February 24, 2008
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One manouver at the beginning looked a little iffy for the handler (assuming it's not a venomoud). The rest wasn't to bad for an experienced handler. A little showmanship went into making it look less controlled than it was.
But as John pointed out, the audience is not "feet away". It looks that way when the camera is zoomed in close but watch the parts where it's zoomed out and you'll see the handler suddenly grow to 10 feet tall.
And just for reference, the video is labled wrong, it's a monocled cobra.
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by GREGLONGHURST on February 25, 2008
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Terry handled the cobra very well indeed. The camera angle might make one think the audience was closer to the snake than what is the case.
~~Greg~~
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by maddreptiles on February 25, 2008
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Looked fine to me but the video is mislabeled. The snake in the video appears to be a good sized N. kaouthia.
-Tim
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by Rob_Carmichael on February 25, 2008
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I thought Terry (I'm pretty sure that was Terry) handled the cobra in a very safe, respectful and cautious manner. He's a very well respected professional in the industry. I honestly didn't see anything wrong with the video. There was a safe distance between handler and snake (and public) and a good amount of technique was displayed.
No problems here.
Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center
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by stopgetinpopped on February 25, 2008
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Actually that is not me, I'm much more handsome than him :)
The guys name is Tracy, and he does use a bit of showmanship. Also the "pit" is an easy 40 foot circle with a stage in the center. It was probably 8 feet from the front edge of the stage and the block wall where the people were at, . We actually just tore that stage and wall down. We rebuilt a new stage...finally.
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by tigers9 on February 25, 2008
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The pics in REXANO feline gallery have owners/handlers, NOT public in them. So when it comes to public safety, they are 100 percent safe, for handler safety, it is voluntarily accepted risk should something happen.
Actually,with your video, I was truly curious, I never seen a venomous snake handling show, and was surprised how close the audience was. With big cats, USDA made rules years ago that if the cat is over 40 pounds, NO public contact without barriers, leash is not considered a barrier. This video made me question how long before they ban this type of reptile show unless you have a plexiglass between you and the audience.
Right now there is so called Haley’s act in Congress that would ban all public display of big cats, even tiny 3 pound babies, unless they are caged in heavy duty cage or other strong barrier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yDlg2Ly4v0
AR present the ‘Haley’s act’ bill as ban on public contact with big cats but ‘forget’ to tell public it is already against the rule to do it with cat larger than 40 pounds.(half truths), so this bill would really only go after harmless babies.
So if they ban on federal level for public to be near 3 pound tiger cub in the name of ‘public safety’, what will prevent them in the future to ban your kind of snake shows?
Z
Stopgetinpopped wrote:
<<How about this?
http://www.rexano.org//EA_FELINES.htm
Anything safe at all in these photos?
T-
Anything else you'd like to try and attack me with? How about this? >>
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by stopgetinpopped on February 25, 2008
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And your half truth is this...
the Haley's act would eliminate the leash as being considered a barrier now wouldn't it? So it will go after more than 'harmless babies'
Those owner pictures are a fine example of irresponsible ownership.
I'm sure those homes are not escape proof? Big cats watching tv...eat owner, walk through glass window, eat neighbor...oh wait, just infringed on someone elses rights didn't we?
I realize how remote this sort of thing is but if you/we/everyone took steps to properly house and manage captive exotics then this sort of legislation would not be nescessary..
Don't go down the road of dogs, cars and lightning etc. I'm fully aware of that stuff. The fact is the exotic legislation wave is about exotics not every other daily danger.
As for whats to stop them from making us put up a piece of glass as a barrier? Nothing. As a matter of fact our new stage has one. However, if they MADE us, we would just put one up. No skin of anyones nose.
Do I think a leash is anywhere acceptable for a barrier? not even close.
Your telling me that video link isn't trying to pull on peoples heartstrings, tell half truths and manipulate the public perception? Like I said, Identical to AR groups...absolutely, identical.
I am in no way supportive of Bans. But adapting current USDA standards to improve safety is not a bad thing. Key word is "improve"
T-
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