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RE: is this safe cobra handling in public?
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by stopgetinpopped on February 25, 2008
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Actually, this is what you wrote
"How will you prevent Boa constrictors from Mexico to migrate to USA if out government can’t even prevent humans to come here as illegals?"
That is very stupid, yes.
T-
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by stopgetinpopped on February 25, 2008
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I have been meaning to ask you and keep forgetting too.
Is there anything in Mr Rodda's report that you find incorrect?
In your infinite wisdom Could a Burmese Python live in any of the green shaded areas of his map?
Do you think they could potentially "migrate" westward from Florida? Just like they must have 'migrated' from Asia..?
Or is it possible that people turn them loose in those areas?
Does the potential affect on native wildlife concern you at all?
Do you beleive it is prohibitively expensive to eradicate them once they are established?
Would it be better to investigate a way to reduce or stop altogether them from populating other areas of the U.S.?
Or would it be better to let a few animal lovers keep their beloved pets.
Lets see if you are willing to answer those.
As for me I do see both sides of the debate. I see it from a Biologist's perspective and I see it from herpetoculture and hobbyist perspective.
Would I like to see them on the Injurious Wildlife?
No, unless it is warranted. It may be, it may not be. However, that is yet to be determined.
However, the USFWS inquiry is not absurd. It is them doing their jobs.
In 2009 they may come back and say "after all the data collection we did, it is not a viable or nescessary option to put them on the IW."
This is not about taking away someones 'rights' or privledges... Think bigger than just yourself. This may very well be the right thing to do. It may not be.
Species adaptability is an amazing thing. Just look at the Cane Toad worldwide.... which I do feel strongly should be on the IW...
You are turning VR.org into a REXANO Activist Agenda board. You have your own website for this subjective and skewed information...leave it there. Or add your stories to the news items section...
T-
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by tigers9 on February 25, 2008
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See this new article from WA state, that had animal rights API legislation passed last year, click on the link to see the pictures of the owner during the show with King Cobra, Alligator, Constrictor and cougars, mamba, rattlesnake, etc....
http://www.chronline.com/story.php?subaction=showfull&id=1203965369&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1
I know the guy form the times when I lived in WA State, very nice family man, but he can not replace his animals when they die, once animals die, his educational business is a history.
This is the same bill now in NC and many other states.
Z
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by stopgetinpopped on February 25, 2008
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I agree thats sucks. However, Washington and North Carolina are very different from the USFWS inquiry into Boas, Pythons and Anacondas.
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by soberwolf on February 25, 2008
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I'm sorry. Is this a forum for the education and information of reptiles or is this a place to air out personal laundry???? You 2 get a room or something.
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by timberrattlesnake89 on February 26, 2008
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Why is it in our society it seems we go after each other instead of the people who are getting the laws changed. I saw the video and never saw nothing wrong with any of the performance. The snake was under the control of the keeper the whole time. I think people blow way to many things out of proportion. I thought I was ADD but damn you go from Cobras to cats in the same topic.
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by Atrox788 on February 26, 2008
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There are a ton of idiots in every hobby. The bad ones ruin it for the rest of us. Instead of bashing all federal officals, media etc you should attempt to work with them and with professionals in Herpetology. Without keeper input they will just take away the right to own anything. All your doing by ranting and raving is making it look like Herepcuturist are nothing but a bunch of hot heads. No one will listen.
As for Terry and his supposed anti keeper agenda, LOL. Just like Rob, Terry has shown he is for the private ownership of venomous reptiles by those who are qualified and has been doing so for many years. Though the main issue at hand is the one revolving around large constrictors, its only a matter of time before it comes up the ladder to venomous snake on a country wide level. When it does do you really want to have alienated these professionals? Im sorry but Federal Officals are going to take their words of wisdom over joe blow venomous snake keeper's anyday of the week. Its much better to do what a few hot keepers did in LA. They worked with local officials and professionals to implement a permit system.
I am as hot headed and argumentative as they come and think some of the ideas in the proposed constrictor legislation are idiotic but quite frankly there is a huge problem with released large constrictors in FL. Think of the potentially disastrous ecological damage that snakes are capable of. Need I remind you about Guam? Of course or native funa has evolved with the presence of snakes and that will indeed help stem the feral populations (as opposed to Guam in which all of the animals evolved without snakes and therefor had no tactics from avoiding predation) but aside from an Alligator what in the hell in the US is going to stop a 12-15 constrictor from eating it? Oh and obviously an alligator isnt going to win all of the time either! (as is shown in the famous pic on line). Introduced species screw things up and if idiots are allowed to purchase these snakes and let them go there should be some action taken to curb it. Instead of blaming federal officials blame the Dbag, money loving idiots who are selling these snakes to unqualified people in the first place!!
The bane of the Herpeculture communitie's existence is the community itself. All of the blame resides with in.
IOn regards to the original topic at hand, the handling was a little showy but not unsafe in the least. Its called a "Show" for a reason and I have no issues with it at all.
Oh and as for the big cat argument, im not touching that with a 50 ft pool.
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by Phobos on February 26, 2008
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I will just answer the inital question. No, I see this as a safe demonstration to the public gathered around. The handler is working the Monocled Cobra (N. kaouthia) as well as possible, since it seems to be "runny" and not confrontational.
I am in general concerned that handlers seen in videos are being "shredded" by arm-chair wanna-be's for issues real or imaginary, just because they can. It's nearly impossible to see from a video unless it includes a multicamera perspective what is actually going on. Valuable time could be spent on more imporant issues like the morons that freehandle in videos than someone who is actually using hooks.
Only one camera is needed for anyone to conclude that what they are doing is wrong and sends the wrong message about being responsable with your HOT herp.
Al
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