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by iLuVeNoM on August 6, 2008
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Wow. When you start a hobby you really start a hobby don't you?!
I don't think I'd have the onions to start with these fellows. Even though they are quite the lazy creatures, when they pop, they POP.
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by Rob_Carmichael on August 6, 2008
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Currently out of town but felt a need to respond to this....NEITHER make a good first hot pet....NEITHER. If you are a beginner, and, if you are a minor, you have no business keeping hots. Hook up with a good mentor who can show you the ropes. A bite from either is a serious life threatening bite and w/out proper treatment, chances for survival are somewhat grim. You obviously don't keep your own antivenin so that will compound this problems.
Start off with something much smaller and preferably, something that is native where A/V is available.
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by theemojohnm on August 6, 2008
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WHAT??! Is this your first venomous snake? Do you have ANY experience, or basic knowledge of how bad bites are or the husbandry of venomous snakes (species particular)????
I'm sure alot of people on here will ask you these and ALOT more questions. I strongy ask of you to listen to EVERYTHING they have to say.
A gaboon or a Rhino are NOT "beginner" snakes at all!
You need to have some knowledge and first-hand experience before even considering a snake like that! Alot of people sugest copperheads as a first venomous snake, because they are relatively easy to care for, and the bites are ussually not too bad. There really is no "best begginer" venomous snake though.
I sugest you get some training BEFORE you even consider getting one of your own. And, PLEASE do no start with a gaboon or a rhino!
To answer your question briefly, THEY ARE BOTH VERY BAD CHOICES FOR A FIRST VENOMOUS SPECIESS!
I'm tired and its late, I'm sure by tomarrow more people will have colaborated on this thread and furthered my sugestions. I urge you to listen, there are some VERY knowledgeable people here.
And just remeber,
If you take a bite from a gaboon or rhino, its not only you possibly losing your hand or even death. The media goes CRAZY over "pet venomous" snake bite stories, and that is the fuel for the fire to make it illegal for the rest of us who actually have the experience and knowledge to safely (for us AND THE ANIMAL) care for the species we keep.
I do not mean to sound rude or "push you away" from the hobby. I just think there was not enough information in your post.
In my and many others opinions, even asking the question if a gaboon or rhino viper are good "beginner" snakes, shows you probably dont have half the experience you need before you start keeping ANYTHING venomous. Try to find a good mentor who is keeping venomous near you nd work with them first, if not.. there are some great people on this forum.
I can assure you, if you wait until you are ABSOLUTELY ready, you will have a much better experience in this hobby...
~John.
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by Crotalusssp on August 7, 2008
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Neither one is a beginner hot. If you are a beginner, spend a year or two working with an experienced keeper, before acquiring any venomous snake and certainly do not start with a highly venomous species such as Gaboons. Gaboons are beautiful and not terribly difficult to attain, but can be EXTREMELY dangerous. Work with a mentor, know your local laws, and start slow. This is one hobby where mistakes can have lasting and sometimes permanent effects, not only for you, but others who enjoy it. Take care.
Charles
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by FSB on August 7, 2008
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If you have to ask this question, you are obviously not ready to keep venomous snakes. Nicolas, your age is not mentioned in your profile, but I somehow get the impression that you are a young person and I don't want to discourage any sincere interest in reptiles. However, it seems that you are most interested in very dangerous snakes - king cobra, inland taipan, etc. The word "beginner" just doesn't belong in the same sentence with any of these reptiles. There is very little opportunity here to learn from your mistakes, since you will usually just get one chance. The most qualified keepers of venomous snakes are the ones with a very broad experience, knowledge and love for all types of reptiles, and their fascination with these aniomals is not simply based on how dangerous they are. Working with a wide variety of nonvenomous species and aquiring a very solid, firsthand knowldege of their biology, natural history, behaviors, body mechanics, etc. is essential before even entertaining the idea of owning or working with venomous snakes. This is a process that cannot be rushed, and can only take years and years. I really can't imagine anyone reaching the level of expertise required to keep venomous snakes without at least a decade of serious study and without having a very deep, lifelong commitment to studying and keeping ALL kinds of reptiles. During this time, take every opportunity to observe venomous snakes in private or public collections, read, read and read all about them, study films and photographs, learn everything you can about them, including scientific names, etc. You must also have the opportunity to observe and be around someone - a professional - properly handling and working with them long before you even try yourself. Some people may never be ready to keep venomous snakes, and that's just fine. They aren't for everyone, and there are plenty of wonderful and very interesting nonvenomous reptiles that are every bit as impressive. If you already have some experience with colubrids and boids, try a blood python. They are beautiful and very much like nonvenomous gaboon vipers, only they can't kill you.
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by puffadder7 on August 7, 2008
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nicolas i know your only ten truly i know your not planning to get any venomous it was just a question out of curiosity anyway just to awnser your question a rhino viper would be better if you had broad venomous knowlegde, arin
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by biff on August 7, 2008
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I was thinking that the husbandry requirements for the rhino viper were a little more demanding than they were for the gaboon...but that's me recalling from 5+ years ago when I talked to someone who kept both. Therefore, out of the 2, the gaboon would be a "better" bet.
Of course, I completely echo Rob's sentiments, that goes w/out saying. I'm presuming that this is just an innocent question, for the sake of having a question.
Steve
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by codeman on August 7, 2008
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Even though this question is obviously out of curiosity I can tell you niethier. when I first wanted to start keeping hots after a few years of keeping kingsnakes I wanted a cobra. A good friend of mine who has been keeping snakes for years talked me out of it. I ended up with a copperhead and guess what? I got bite within the second month of having it. It just took one second of getting to comfortable and that's all it took. Trust me you dont want either of these snakes for first hots. If I would have gotten a cobra I may not be writing this now. Lesson learned.
One day I do hope to own a gaboon viper but I am years away from having the experience for that beautiful yet deadly snake. As far as which one is best providing you have the proper training and all the requirments I'd think it was just personal preference.
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by iLuVeNoM on August 7, 2008
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Somehow I don't think the question was one of curiousity. A curious (and better) question would be "which species of Hot would be good for a beginner".
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