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by VenomNC on January 19, 2009
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I thought Rob C. might have been harsh in your initial assessment of you, but man, was I wrong, judging by your actions on YouTube. Why on earth would you handle Malayan Kraits in what it appears to be you barefooted! Sadly, your path seems wrong. You keep many of your snakes in substandard conditions (small plastic bins), and ten gall tanks. While shoe bins can be useful in rearing neonates, your general method of housing is ALL plastic bin. Instead of purchasing mass quantites of snakes, why not invest in some proper caging? Also, do you at the age of sixteen have antivenin for you species you keep? All I can say about this is just YIKES!
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by GaryOrner on January 19, 2009
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I have made the barefoot mistake in the past. it will never happen again. I was lucky and was not bitten. If the mojave wanted to she could have nailed me a few times.
barefoot and working with hots a no no.
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by JordanSFTD on January 19, 2009
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Normally i do not add my two sense in this, but after observing a few of his videos (in particular http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOxQHC_II3A) I have come to the conclusion that this kid has no business with the snakes he has acquired. Shoving your hands into a cage of any venomous snake is illogical and very ignorant. Bash me all you want, thats just my opinion.
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by ChunkHead on January 20, 2009
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Go over to Fieldherpforum.com and scan through the posts there. I have seen countless photos of people in the field, lifting tin and boards, where you can see herpers wearing flip-flops and other kinds of open-toed shoes. Very irresponsible.
Lots of people do things like this, and only when they get bitten do they realize.
Of course it reflects negatively on the community, and ultimately we will all lose our privileges of owning venomous reptiles. Bummer!
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by brandonsthaman on January 20, 2009
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I watched the same video that Jordan was talking about a few weeks ago. I was wondering why he would put his hand in there with that cobra instead of using a hook or grabstick to put the hut back in the tub. It would have been a lot safer, and quicker...
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by FSB on January 20, 2009
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There was a recent thread on here re. the program "I Was Bitten" so when I was at a friend's house over the holidays who has direct tv, I saw it was coming on and decided to check out the "all-new" edition. There was this guy, David something (he's known to some people on this site, but I'll just call him "Wind In His Head") who was being touted as some kind of snake expert, but the main expertise he seemed to demonstrate to me was an ability to annoy and infuriate his snakes to the point where they would certainly bite him given the slightest chance. Through very gentle and empathetic (i.e. minimal) handling, I strive to keep my snakes in such a way that, even if I should slip up and make a stupid mistake (anyone can do it), they might perhaps be at least a little forgiving of me and let me off the hook, so to speak, just once. It's just one tiny precaution, but every little bit can help.
Anyway, this genius got bitten just below his navel (!) by a cobra that he was keeping in a shallow plastic tub about 5 or 6" deep. He roughly shoved the cobra into the tub and was trying to get the lid snapped back on when the snake lunged out and nailed him in his gut (which was a very generous target).
I hate such shallow, claustrophobic containers. Plastic tubs can indeed be very useful and have a lot of valid husbandry applications. They are ideal if not indispensible for such purposes as soaking, quarantine, temporary housing, neonates, upping humidity, etc. but to keep a 5' cobra in one is uttterly ridiculous and, as the program so vividly demonstrated, extremely dangerous.
When I have to, I always use very deep containers which are comparable in size to large vivaria. Even then, many snakes will come rocketing back out the top as soon as you place them in there, so I would never stand right next to one while putting a snake into it (and I'm pretty skinny!). This guy was practically resting his rolling gut on the rim! Makes us all look like a bunch of insane idiots to the general viewing public.
As for Rob, he represents something close to the ideal for knowledgeable, experienced, informed and responsible venomous snake keeping (always putting his charges first), so if something he says upsets or irritates you, chances are you're doing something wrong.
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by jparker1167 on January 20, 2009
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i watched some of his videos too, looks like most snakes are kept in the same size tub and they are just stacked on each other but it doesn't look like any are heated. unless I'm missing a part where you see it just kinda wondered about it maybe puffadder7 will reply. i also though the video with the banded egyptian cobra that was climbing up a shelf in then went into the shelf knocked off the tub it was in, while he was trying to hold a camera and tape it. it was a mess. starts around 4:10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GQSVmxqmQU&feature=channel_page
its great to see people interested in keeping hots but being safe needs to be the number one factor.
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by puffadder7 on January 20, 2009
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oh man, i had a gut feeling there would be a topic about me, i was right, well as for heating i have heating tape stuck to the bottom of the sterilite, also for the banded that made a mess, i was letting her do her own thing. i should not have let her gone that far, as for the barefoot thing kind of stupid but, i only do that with slow snakes, anyway your giving me a hard time about it look at jim harrison, so any more bashes would be appreciated, and for all of those that stick up for me, i am sorry i drug you into this mess, i got this one, arin
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by puffadder7 on January 20, 2009
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also its not like i am letting the snakes crawl all on the floor, when i am barefoot, and for antivenom i have my own small frigde for the serum, so stop pointing at small issues like caging, i have alot of money i can aford cages, its just i hate visions, i bet if some of you put up a video, you probaly have horrible caging, also some of you probaly keep snakes in your bedroom, with clothes and cans cluttering the floor, am i right, so think about it, arin
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by Fishmich on January 21, 2009
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Wow Arin, I originally had a different opinion of you. I thought you were one of the younger guys that had the right mindset to keep hots. Its apparent however that you just aren't ready. The vast majority of the people here are leaps and bounds ahead of you when it comes to experience and knowledge, and when they bring up valid concerns you just make excuses or say something rediculous like "this person does it so I can too." I can't believe you used a person like Jim Harrison as an example. He uses tubs because he deals with a very large number of snakes for scientific reasons. You are just a collector, if you are going to take on the responsibility of taking care of an animal then you should be able to house it properly, no excuses. Also when it comes to using Mr. Harrison as an example, he needs to milk hundreds of snakes per week so he may use different tactics than the average keeper. Keep in mind as well that he has been bitten a few times if Im not mistaken. Stop being so defensive and start listening to the people that have good advice to offer. There is another youtube guy Im sure you know who you sound an awful lot alike in your responses. ~Bill
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