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RE: Mammal-like reptile skull from Mexico
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by Chance on October 7, 2009
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Thank you Bob. This is purely a debate for the layperson. I don't remember the statistic but the number of biologists who have an issue with evolution by natural selection is nil. Not to say there aren't some out there (Dr. Michael Behe probably being the most notable), but they are very few and far between. We like to debate these topics because most of us (by 'we' and 'us' here I'm presuming most of us don't hold PhD's in biology) don't fully understand all the fundamentals of evolution by natural selection.
It is a pity that these debates tend to turn nasty so quickly. I try to always stay level headed, whether I'm debating the topic with friends or discussing the topic and trying to redress misconceptions with my students. I do have problems discussing reality though with people who think that the earth is 6k years old, humans lived for hundreds and hundreds of years a few thousand years ago, and dinosaurs and humans walked this planet at the same time (and there are fossils to back it up!!....). Other than that though I can usually keep my cool.....
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RE: Mammal-like reptile skull from Mexico
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by pictigaster1 on October 7, 2009
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I told you it is a bad topic.It always is the same I personaly do not care what any of you think about any subject except for your love of snakes.That is truly how I feel.If you love snakes and think the world was created by cross eyed monkey bats the snakes are my concern the monkey bats are on you.I am not a scientist nor do I claim to be .If you are homosexual heterosexual metrosexual or what ever if you love snakes you are my friend and this is not a topic that could change my mind.When I die that will be my death if I will be dirt or reincarnated into a dung beetle or lifted to a glorious existance in heaven I do not know .you do not ether so why try to prove it here Tho I would like some of those monkey bats LOL. .I have grown to know that what I can not prove do not argue.Some of us do have vast knowledge of these topics, not me I am a simple man WHO LOVES HUNTS AND BREEDS SNAKES.
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by Nakita on October 7, 2009
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So far this one is going quite smoothly. Its nice to be able to talk about such a sensitive subject without people flying off the handle.
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by ALA_snake33 on October 12, 2009
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Everyone has their own Faith in this world, its just some put their Faith in what they can see. And some have Faith in what they cant see, such as myself. We could spend the total days of our lives debating this Question, but in the end one will be right and one wrong. So i see no reason for things like this to come between people who have so much in common, such as the love of one of the most hated creatures on this planet.
I wont take this any further than i have because its all been done before by me.
Be Safe Ya'll, Happy Herping : Wally
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by earthguy on October 12, 2009
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Different answers to different questions. Natural Selection, as Dr. Bob pointed out, answers the proximate question (how did we get where we are) rather neatly. I would like to point out, though, that REAL scientists are always full of questions (as science is a process to answer questions rather than an answer itself). Natural Selection could also answer the ultimate question (the philosophical "WHY are we here?) if you want it to...but so could faith.
In the end science as we now know it can't gather sufficient data to support either the hypothesis or the null hypothesis when it comes to the presence of celestial beings (whether they be a monothestic omnipotent God, panthesitic gods, or a giant spaghetti monster). But it can support the Theory of Evolution with tons of evidence. Many people think that there is a natural adversarial relationship between faith and science...but I have yet to find it. The trick is to know what is faith, and what is science, and never confuse one with the other.
At any rate...awesome skull. One of my old students is out west unearthing a T-rex as part of his undergraduate studies. He's super sharp; I can't wait to hear about his discoveries once he gets out into the 'real world' :)
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