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by pictigaster1 on March 12, 2010
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Should a 16 year old be able to own a copperhead with his parents permission.Under Texas state law he can own a copperhead at 16 with his hunting license .I also did some research and any one can have an exotic snake permit as long as they have a state Id.It has no age restriction.I can not find where it says 18 anywhere period If you found it please show me as I also asked when I picked up my dealers permit and they said no age requirement just a valid texas ID.
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by pictigaster1 on March 12, 2010
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I am sorry the age restriction is 17 to buy the permit not 18 I found the information.So any one 17 can buy the exotic snake permit and keep any venomous snake legal in the state of Texas.I called Austin and talked to several people including the person in charge of the permit.17 is the age of concent in the State of Texas as well.At 17 you are no longer a juvinile and can go to prison join the military but not vote.Opinions please.
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by Crotalusssp on March 12, 2010
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Or drink a beer.......
I think 21 is a more suitable age. Drinking alcohol can have disastrous outcomes, same as irresponsible venomous ownership. We all most likely know or were a person who did or could have kept venomous younger safely, but we all also know that in general with age comes wisdom and experience. Studying and keeping non-venomous for years prior to turning 21, could never be seen as a bad thing and if it helps protect the rights of the individuals who are 21 and keeping then I am definitely all for it. Just my 2 cents worth.
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by Ptk on March 12, 2010
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I am no lawyer, nor do I live in Texas but I always had the understanding that a minor can not "own" any "personal property". Even with a parental consent, if this snake were to get loose or bite someone it is the parent's (and/or property owner's) that will get sued.
Can you sue a minor? For certain criminal actions a minor could be tried as an adult but matters regarding "personal property" (i.e. pets) I don't think so (perhaps an emancipated minor?).
Its my understanding even Christmas/Birthday gifts given to a minor actually legally belong to the parents. Even items a minor may buy with their own money from their own job still belong to the parents.
Sorry kids!!
As far as an age limit goes: I am in favor of one.
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by venomrob on March 12, 2010
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I'm in S.C. and when I went to buy my first car (in cash) I was 16 BUT my parents had to be present at the dealer, sign some papers, and register it AND sign for the insurance. It could be where I lived at the time but thought I would throw this in here.
As far as age restriction I am in support of this BUT how do you come up with one? You can go and fight wars and risk your life at age 18, but you cannot sit down and have a few beers until you are 21? (In S.C.) I think that is crap.
Rob
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by Buzztail1 on March 12, 2010
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Age restrictions have been a point of contention for quite some time.
When I turned 18, it was legal for 18 year-olds to buy and drink beer. They changed it back to age 21, oddly enough, the year that I turned 21.
As for the discrepancy between signing up to serve in the military but not being able to drink alcohol?
When you join the military, you are offering up your life. When you drink alcohol, go out and get in your car, you are offering up the life of anyone out on the road.
I don't believe that there is any one particular age at which you can say that any individual is a responsible adult. Everyone under the accepted age will feel slighted and that they, personally, are ready for whatever application you choose. And everyone over the accepted age, is so clearly not ready. The key to the phrases is "everyone". Sadly, no law can ever adequately cover everyone.
I have seen many young people who were quite adequate at husbandry knowledge and many of the ins and outs of venomous snake keeping. Two to three years later, as they approached their age of majority, they were no longer fanatical about their right to keep venomous snakes. They were into ultralight planes, scuba diving, hang gliding, hip-hop, girls, drugs (sadly), and any other number of things (yes, these are all specific individuals that were active on this site). The few that stick it out until they are old enough? A few have actually personally thanked me for not jumping on them negatively and for telling them to use the time to learn more and hang in there. If you are all that passionate about keeping them, you will still be passionate about keeping them when you turn the magic age. If not, then you didn't really need to be keeping them anyway.
Just my own personal observations.
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Karl
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by Cro on March 12, 2010
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Very good points Karl.
The fact is, that you can not hang a specific age on someone and say that they are magically responsible.
I have seen plenty of herpers age 13 and 14 who were very capable of safely working with venomous snakes.
And I have seen many herpers at that age who who were not capable of keeping a corn snake.
The same can be said for older herpers. There are thousands of 20 something year old folks out there who have no business keeping venomous snakes. They are keeping them for the wrong reasons, and do not posses the skills or safety conscious to be keeping venomous snakes. But, they are legally (or illegally)keeping them anyway.
If someone is under the age of contract in their state, then the parents assume the responsibility for the acts of that young individual. If the parent is willing to allow their 14 or 15 year old to keep a venomous snake, and if that parent knows the dangers, and allows it, then there should be nothing wrong with that.
It is really not much different from giving your 14 or 15 year old a rifle to hunt with. The youngster would not legally be able to buy that firearm himself, however, if the parent thinks he is mature enough to be safe with it, they can take on the responsibility, and buy it for him, and give him rules to follow.
Same for a 4 wheeler, trail bike, automobile, motor boat, etc. Some states allow a drivers license at age 14, and some states allow marriage at that age.
Sure, we live in an age where reptiles are under attack, however, it is not because there are a lot of 14 year old venomous snake keepers doing dangerous things, it is because there are a lot of 20 something year old folks who let their pet pythons get out, or, their green mamba get out, or, manage to get bitten by their pet albino Indian cobra or western diamondback rattlesnake. Those are the folks who are hurting the hobby.
Keepers who start with venomous at a young age, are usually going to become hard core herpers. They are a tiny minority of the kids out there in the world. And, for the most part, they are very safe individuals, and not a threat to the venomous keeping hobby, unless a bunch of nit-wits on forums draw attention to them. If folks would mind their own business, and then those very talented hard core young herpers will go on to become the hard core herpers, and scientists, of the future.
Best Regards
John Z
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