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by agkistrodude on October 4, 2010
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Some of us new that it was Chad and Chris. I was waiting for Swampy to chime in. I'll say that they both take safety seriously, I know that Chad has extensive experience, and they were in no way "showing off" in the video. (just don't try pinning them with your toes! LOL) Take care, Marty
Oh, and by the way, I enjoyed the video.
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by CharlieO on October 5, 2010
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Just a question from a non-keeper that this thread has raised...
Is it at all common for members of the community to wear protective gear when working with your animals?
I understand that each of you has your own unique methods/habits...it just seemed to me that having protective clothing (such as chaps and snake boots) would be a reasonable precaution unless there is some feature of the clothing that inhibits the keeper's movement or ability to work with the animals...
Charlie
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by CanadianSnakeMan on October 5, 2010
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Charles,
Snakeproof chaps and boots are great for field-herping where the chance of sustaining a bite from a surprised and angry snake you've just stepped on are higher. In an indoor setting with captive animals I don't see it as necessary. It's like wearing a crash helmet while driving your car - sure it would protect you from an injury but is it really necessary?
Puncture resistant gloves are good if you get your hands close to an animal, but in my experience they reduce your dexterity, sensitivity and grip on small objects. Since I only ever have my hands on a snake to do a medical procedure of some kind, I won't wear gloves because I feel the danger of sustaining a bite or hurting the snake is greater if I do. My safety equipment includes hooks, tongs, shields, trap boxes and pinning forks.
Should shoes be worn to work with snakes indoors? I suppose that's up to the individual. I always do.
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by pictigaster1 on October 5, 2010
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The people who did the video are in fact experts and an ass I am .Still in this day and age being professional in all areas of public address would still hold true here.We have to protect our image and the children who do watch these types of shows.I also saw a video of someone handleing a king in shorts and flipflops one time.Do I do what Chad did yes I do .The only problem is when presented to the public while our heads are on the block gives a wrong impression.I was overly harsh in my first statements yet believe for public we should use all safty protocalls.
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by ChunkHead on October 5, 2010
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I do everything I can do to minimize contact with the animals, and this includes wearing boots and not handling the animals for any reason. As long as my boots are on and I have the animals safely at the other end of the hook I feel I am ok.
But experts make mistakes, and sometimes they pay for them. There are many examples of individuals whose reputations were beyond question but are no longer here to join in on the conversation.
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by snakeguy101 on October 6, 2010
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I understand your concerns but with out a doubt, even if these snakes somehow managed to get themselves out of our control, we could have jumped back out of striking range before it hit the ground. Not only that but I really don't think that anyone other than this group of very attentive herpers would ever notice unless it was pointed out. There are only a few frames where bare feet are shown and I doubt that someone who has never worked with hot snakes would try this with or without shoes.
I just think some of you guys are over reacting a bit.
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by ChunkHead on October 7, 2010
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I have no interest in getting in a pissing contest, my points about safety are valid. With 4 whole years of experience with venomous reptiles you still have a lot to learn, and it appears you'll have to learn some lessons the hard way. Good luck to you, either way.
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by snakeguy101 on October 7, 2010
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I was not trying to get into a "pissing contest" with anyone. I was just saying that these snakes were under control- Not that I am more experienced than anyone here. Sorry if I came off a little rough but I dont see why this is a big deal. If these were larger snakes then even if we were wearing tennis shoes, it would not matter because a big EDB could easily bite through them. What about handling snakes with shorts? I dont see the difference that shoes would make in that situation because you are just as likely to be bit on the ankle.
You have valid concerns of there being the risk of a bite on the foot or ankle but that risk is the same with or without shoes unless you are wearing full fledged snake chaps. If you want to go ahead and wear them then it is fine with me, I dont care. I just dont think that is is necessary enough for me to do every time I clean cages.
Again, I dont mean to offend anyone or get into a heated argument, I am just stating my opinion.
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by ChunkHead on October 7, 2010
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Alright, brother, we've both stated our positions. I wish you well in your herp endeavors.
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by pictigaster1 on October 7, 2010
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An expert well known was bit by a atrox on the foot doing something like that he had it under control as well.As for him he is one of the best known and respected herpers in the world and he was bit.accidents happen period .
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