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by Cro on October 28, 2010
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I agree that the cage size is just too small for those three snakes.
Perhaps OK for one of them, or, perhaps two, if they are being put together temporarily for breeding purposes, but not as a long term caging system for all three.
Best Regards
John Z
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by snakeguy101 on October 29, 2010
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Sorry, I should have mentioned that this is only temporary for a few months tops until I can pick up some more cages. I know that this size could never house 2 full grown rattlers and a pine snake. I will be separating them again by december at the latest.
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by Rob_Carmichael on November 2, 2010
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Chris, you mention you take working with hots pretty seriously but show a pic of yourself hook and tailing a timber with flip flops. My guess is that you might be cutting corners and taking on more herps than what you are really capable of dealing with. I can tell that you are really passionate about herpetology which is fantastic and I hope you continue to pursue your studies but just don't cut corners because you have a lot of upside with your background. If you insist on keeping all three, go to Walmart and buy a rubbermaid or sterilite with an appropriate lid that can be VERY secure and put the pine snake in that for a short term solution. I would recommend keeping only one hot per cage too.
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by snakeguy101 on November 3, 2010
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After this thread I decided to go ahead and sell off the rattlers. I decided they were neat animals but I dont feel as strongly about them as I do everything else in my collection. They will be at Columbia this weekend priced to sell.
and everyone here was right, I was in a little over my head but at least I realized it.
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by ViperLover on November 5, 2010
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I know it's late to reply, however, my question, is as follows:
Why would you want to house more than one snake together, when not breeding? I'd have guessed that one animal per enclosure would make your life easier, as if one of them was to become ill, there could only be one snake there who was ill, and you'd be abled to identify the individual faster, and treat accordingly.
Just genuine thoughts, not nit-picking at you at all, Chris.
Best Regards,
James M.
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by theemojohnm on November 6, 2010
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I agree with Daniel..
You've certainly earned my respect in making that dicission. Very logical and mature choice.. In the long-run, it's probably better on you, and the snakes.
How I wish more people thought as logically !
Kudos to you, Chris..
Take Care,
-John Mendrola
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by snakeguy101 on November 12, 2010
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James, I come from a background of working at zoos where mixed species enclosures are not only accepted but encouraged because of the added interest that multiple species brings to each enclosure. An animal in a cage is just an animal in a cage whereas an animal interacting with other animals gives the observer a whole new perspective on the enclosure and is much more enlightening than stereotypical behaviors.
I don't mind putting a little extra effort into an enclosure and its maintenance if it will add depth and interest. If I wanted minimum maintenance, I would have a rack system and news paper substrate but I prefer to display my animals since I am not actively breeding them, just enjoying them as a part of my menagerie.
One day I will have the time, space, and facilities to complete a very active mixed enclosure privately. That day was just not today.
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by Rob_Carmichael on November 14, 2010
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Chris, while I hear what you are saying, I really disagree with your rationale...multiple species exhibits are for the most part NOT natural because of population densities in cramped quarters. You are taking natural trophic levels and crunching them into unnatural conditions (good 'ol law of Competitive Exclusion). All that does is increase stress levels in captive herps. Instead, we focus on enrichment of our captives in our exhibits - for example, we'll put a big pile of freshly collected dead leaves in our king cobra or indigo exhibit. They'll spend hours tongue flicking the pile. Or, we'll hide dead prey in rocky crevices after initiating a strike with our rattlesnakes forcing them to spend some energy finding their prey. Certain species bode well for multiple species exhibits (i.e. rough green snakes, anolis lizards and small ground dwelling frogs) but they must have more than adequate space and most facilities don't provide that. Chris, on a completely different subject, I wouldn't be posting pics of you hook 'n tailing a timber with flip flops on. If you do come from a "zoo background" it's not the image we are trying to project in our community. We've all done stupid things but not something we want to put out there on a public forum.
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