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by TheBlackMamba on July 2, 2013
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Honestly, I don't understand what’s so hard to understand about keeping venomous snakes. Pick them up with hooks instead of your hands, spend the money and get a secure cage with a lock instead of one with just a screen lid, and don't cuddle you f****** snake. It's really not brain surgery. There is nothing a mentor can teach you that you cannot teach yourself using your ball python. For example, before you open the cage spot your animal, don't open the cage if you don't know where it is - get good at hooking it, etc. I personally don't cuddle with my snakes although I do refer to my cobra as my "pet" and not a "specimen" because I am not studying it. I just own it because cobras amuse me and I want to help conserve the species. And although I get what you’re saying using that terminology just looks bad and will give the HSUS nut cases more credibility when they argue that we are emotionality unstable and projecting human emotions onto our animals - which I hope you are not.
No one helped me when I first started and odds are you are not going to be able to find someone local to help you because most people can't be bothered. If you lived by me I would help you out but you don't so if I was you I would just get really good at dotting my i's and crossing my t's when it comes to keeping snakes and you should be fine.
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by TheBlackMamba on July 2, 2013
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If you want to know a good place to start study the AZA guidlines for keeping hot herps. Here is a link I found:
http://www.aza.org/uploadedFiles/Conservation/Commitments_and_Impacts/Amphibian_Conservation/Amphibian_Resources/Herp_Outreach_Recommendations_2008.pdf
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by najas on July 4, 2013
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When working with dangerous animals of this magnitude, it's not unreasonable to seek guidance from more experienced persons. Saying that you don't understand what is so difficult about it can and will lead to a sense of complacency and you're more likely to get tagged with that attitude. Plenty of experienced and careful keepers around have a history of getting bitten, so what does that tell you? It's not a matter of reading a few paragraphs online to boost one's abilities, but rather learning the intricacies within movements and tactics of being safe in different situations from all angles. Furthermore, I do really wonder if, for example, a person experienced working with big cats is willing to undertake a student who says they love big cats because they are "just so adorable" while stating the fact they love to cuddle their domestic house cat. If you have to be corrected in your approach altogether, good luck finding a legitimate mentor. All aside, I do appreciate Mr. Al Cortiz's showcasing of videos to the general public, but clearly this is an unfortunate case of an unfit individual lost in a reverie of keeping dangerous animals perpetuated by a youtube channel.
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by agkistrodude on July 5, 2013
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To say that someone that snuggles with their house cat, would try to do the same with a tiger, lion, cheetah, etc., is asinine at best. The same goes for someone that snuggles with a ball python. What in the Wide World of Sports makes you think that, a person would try the same with a rattlesnake or a cobra? Where do you draw that conclusion from? Nothing she wrote even remotely suggests that. But it doesn't really matter, Katie Becker, don't listen to this clown. He's said all he needs to, to show his true colors. Especially the comment about Al. Best of luck to you in finding a mentor, if you were in Georgia, I'd help you out myself. Take care, Marty
Once again, I'm through with this thread.
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by najas on July 5, 2013
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To answer your question: someone who would try to cuddle venomous snakes would be extremely idiotic to the point of being suicidal. To that matter, when introducing yourself as a newcomer to dangerous animals and absurdly stating any immature qualities that depict the polar opposite of a careful and genuine student would be idiotic and counter-productive to your goal in impressing any experienced persons. Really? Have we really become so dumb as a collective? Did you actually have to question why someone would be apprehensive? Mind you, this requires the capacity to exercise sound judgment. In my opinion, the only venomous keepers who would still undertake such individuals are ones with selective listening skills and/or absurd emotional investments in strangers - for example, in this case, the individual being the opposite sex. Furthermore, if you are having trouble in reading comprehension, please re-read the last sentence I wrote regarding Mr. Al Cortiz. To make this easier on the person with a diminished capacity: Although Mr. Al Coritz publishes videos containing valuable videos of venomous snakes, there are many individuals who may watch these videos and daydream of keeping venomous snakes however unqualified they may be. Lastly, the only person who has been a "clown" or has "shown true colors" is the very person who insists they are through with topic of discussion midway yet keeps coming back only to be stating the very same thing again without integrity.
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by Phobos on July 5, 2013
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Thomas:
You're just another internet troll. You post so infrequently on this forum and contribute so little (really nothing) to this community,I know I checked how frequently you've posted since you joined. Why this thread to make trouble on a generally harmonious forum.
If I am so "Bad" for young venomous keeper. Then why am I repeatedly asked to be a lead instructor at workshops to train AZA keepers? Don't bother to answer, if you do I'll Blacklist you as a trouble maker.
Just crawl back in your hole and keep your jealousy to yourself.
Al Coritz
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by Phobos on July 5, 2013
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Thomas:
No more discussions, I didn't even read your last post. One more on this topic and you're done posting on this site...PERIOD
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by najas on July 5, 2013
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I will be requesting a secondary review on this matter to other moderators on this site.
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by Buzztail1 on July 6, 2013
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Alas, it is nearly impossible to judge someone's readiness to deal with venomous snakes based on anything that they have posted on this site, or any other place online.
Looking for a mentor is a good place to start. The mentor, once face-to-face with the trainee will be in a better position to determine whether they are ready for venomous or not.
However, since Florida is the only state that I know of requiring any time at all of documented experience before someone actually gets their venomous, there is nothing to stop most folks from just going out and getting whatever they are interested in with or without any appropriate training.
All that said, confrontations with the admins on this page are ill-advised and almost never come out in the favor of the person who is not an admin. Such confrontations, or mismatches of opinions, are better dealt with via emails before they get out of hand.
R/
Karl H. Betz
(One of the heavy-handed admins)
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