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by cactusjack on July 31, 2013
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Has anyone successfully crossed a timber rattlesnake with a tropical rattlesnake-if so what did the offspring look like? Also I know that copperheads have been crossed with cottonmouths but have either of them been crossed with the cantils?
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by choppergreg74 on July 31, 2013
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Timbers and canebrakes cross naturally in the wild with EDB. This is called a batwing. I am very interested in them. They look really neat. I too often wondered if anyone ever crossed one to a tropical species. If so im sure this will be a very controversial topic. I am sure it would produce some weird venom complex as if both species were not dangerous enough without being crossed. Also there are some other western crotalus that naturally crossbreed in the wild too.
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by CHRIS on July 31, 2013
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It would serve no purpose. Keep in mind if offspring would be produced what would become of them,the life span if kept under proper conditions could excedent 20 years. Most people lose interest in there animals before They die of natural cases,so how do you dispose of them,it would not be fair to euthanize them,and it would not be à wise ideal to pass it out to other collectors. THE practice of crossing different snakes is poor ethics in à legitimate herp study.
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by choppergreg74 on July 31, 2013
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Ive been on the fence about this topic for a long while and I have to say you are 100% correct about people loosing interest in their animals. I do like natural intergrades though. Even nonvenomous ones like the kasathie cornsnake. Which the late great Joel Solwinsky has named after him now.Pantherophis solwinskyi. (Forgive my spelling if its not right). I wonder if a natural batwing or cottonhead could ever become a species??? I do not know much about Taxonomy.
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by choppergreg74 on August 1, 2013
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While there are many people that feel different ways about this topic. Every one is entitled to their own opinion. BUT when it comes to venomous animals we must pay extra attention. Creating a hybrid like a EDB crossed with a Neo Tropical Rattlesnake? One can create something an antivenom may not work for. Therefore creating a Frankenstein of a snake. And thats ok if you are the only one that suffers from your own creation. But when some poor sap buys one because he can or it looks cool. Then the whole venomous community suffers and so do other people. Just because one can does not mean one should. An albino EDB is still an EDB. An EDB X Simus is a ??? Also in this hobby people have created the term Designer snakes, lizards, whatever. To me that is the dumbest term. Whats next Freragamo or Prada line leopard geckos?? All these terms were made to charge more money. In all other hobbies. People try and stay Pure. For example if you were a car collector would you buy a 57 Chevy with a Honda civic engine in it? It would have no significant value in the auto world. Or would it be a designer car??? Anyway exercise caution in whatever we do. Stay safe and happy herping. P.S. Even if you get a verbal beating on this website it is good to ask these question because some people really think and give very smart advice. Don't take it personal use it as a learning tool.
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by BlackMamba88 on August 24, 2013
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I have to say that I fundamentally disagree with your point. First of all, regarding morphs, saying that color mutations will lead to a species demise and that "morphs" themselves are "not "pure" is a ridiculous statement. Snakes mutate naturally in the wild, this is how they evolve. And although the odds of something like an albino ball python surviving in the wild may be low, who is to say that other color or pattern mutations such as spider or cinnamon phase would not increase the likely hood of their survival ? If someone wants pay a higher price for a color phase which may indeed turn out to be the cutting edge of the evolution of a new local I see no problem with this. Also, some of the more bright colored morphs would not survive on the wild anyway. Therefore, giving them a home it captivity actually balances things out. A high demand on the morphs is only taking more of the demand off of the normal snakes in the wild and helping their population flourish.
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by Crotalusssp on September 12, 2013
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"A high demand on the morphs is only taking more of the demand off of the normal snakes in the wild and helping their population flourish."
This is an interesting hypothesis.......Not sure how true to reality, but interesting. I would like to believe this would happen.
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