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by CHRIS on September 12, 2013
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The demand for captive Born snakes has always been à prioriteit. Large numbers of captive Born alternas and subocs have Flooded the market,but this trend has not reduced the collecting of wild caught snakes. With massive breeding of morphs Will just muddey up the genetics. How Many collectors can you count That have Burns with clean genetics? Sorry About the spelling something wrong with the computer it has à mind of its own.
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by BlackMamba88 on September 23, 2013
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Well, I mean, it seems like common sense that if normal ball pythons are going $10.00 each and some of the really high end ones are selling for $25,000.00 that there is going to be a higher demand for CB snakes and a lower demand for WC. Again, these are all animals that do occur naturally but would not be able to survive any way.
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by BlackMamba88 on September 23, 2013
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Second of all, I am not persuaded at all by the arguments presented here as reasons to avoid hybridizing venomous snakes. For example , choppergreg74 stated that, "One can create something an anti-venom may not work for. Therefore creating a Frankenstein of a snake." However, this is faulty reasoning because there are a lot of non- hybridized snakes on the market that there is no anti-venom for. I keep Atheris Squamigera and many other types of Atheris and there is no anti venom for any Atheris. Are you saying that we should only keep snakes that there is anti-venom for ? I hate to brake it to you but there is a lack of anti-venom for a lot of popularly kept species.
Another problem is that even if there is anti-venom for a particular snake that doesn't mean that you are going to get it in time or that it's going to work. Some people have allergic reactions to anti-venom and can't even use it even if they get bit. Finally, just because a snake is hybridized doesn't mean anti-venom for one of the particular species will not work. I remember reading heated debates on this site over whether or not the hybridization of snakes creates new proteins in their venom. A lot of people argued it didn't (although I am inclined to believe it does). Either way, anti-venom for one of the snake species may still be effective. Especially, if they are somewhat related like the rattle snakes cactusjack mentioned.
With regards to Chris, I believe that hybridization does "serve a purpose" and that it is "ethically sound" to practice hybridization. For one thing, hybridization occurs naturally and there are many examples of hybrid species occurring naturally in the wild. Second, if you open any modern college level biology text book you will see that hybridization, along with random mutation, (such as random color or pattern mutation), is the driving force behind evolution. Therefore, it is perfectly scientific to be curious about and explore what certain species of snakes would look like if they hybridized naturally. I think that it would be exciting and fulfilling to explore and observe the different possible evolutionary pathways a species could take. Second, hybridization can also have a lot of benefits for the snakes themselves and their blood lines since hybrids often display "hybrid vigor" and hybridization can remove dangerous genetic defects from the bloodlines of the animals. Third, it has a benefit for the owner since being bold and creative is healthy. What's the point of being in the hobby if you are not going to enjoy it. I find hybridization fascinating and support creativity. I would never discourage people from being creative.
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by BlackMamba88 on September 23, 2013
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With regards to this comment, " Large numbers of captive Born alternas and subocs have Flooded the market,but this trend has not reduced the collecting of wild caught snakes." I would like to know what study you read or where you are getting the data from showing that there has not been a reduction in the collection of WC snakes. How could you possibly know this ?
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by Crotalusssp on September 24, 2013
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It occurs "naturally"....captivity is not nature and lets hope that it never becomes nature to species due to habitat loss etc. I feel it is important to maintain the integrity of the genetics of captive animals, and hybridization in captivity 99% of the time serves only to make money. Just my humble opinion.
Charles
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by CHRIS on September 24, 2013
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John the status on west Texas collecting was brought up by g. Schuett dring à conversation on possibel permit program for Willardi in Arizona in order to reduce illegal collecting of these snakes, and allow à certain amount of these to hit the captive collections, the response to this suggestion was it Will not reduce the over collecting.this was based on the comparison of west Texas. John it is obvious That you have the interest in hybridizeing If That is your desire go for it. But i can tell you when you get à few more years into it you to Will see the importance of true genetics. Even though this may happen in the wild it is not all That common. Take care Chris
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by BlackMamba88 on September 24, 2013
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Chris, believe me, I get your point completely and I am not trying to undermine purist at all. I don't find the idea of a market filled with all these snakes with muddied up genetics attractive at all. I reduced my collection so that as of now I am just working with A. squamigera because I just want to focus on conserving and producing one species. I very much take pride in and understand the importance of keeping my blood line and lineage pure. However, I still think it would be pretty cool to make new hybrid lines of snakes. A friend o mine who is a hobbyist crossed a squamigera and broadleyi and produced snakes that are completely out of this world. I just don't see the harm in producing these snakes everyone I know thinks that they are amazing. I don't think Hybridization in the private sector will ever get to the point where it becomes an issue in the hobby if that's what you are getting at. I just see it as something cool that people do from time to time.
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by CHRIS on September 24, 2013
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Atherïs very neat group. Give it About another ten years,and They Will probably put broadleyi back with squam. There is not à great deal of difference between them . Good luck with them and be Careful. Dont let there slow loppy strike fool you its faster then it looks,i know That for à fact.
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