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Panacur/Flagyl dosage for Crotalus horridus
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by Nakita on June 4, 2014
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I was given a 3 foot Timber today by a local farmer who, surprisingly, didn't kill it. Although he spared it, he is adamant about not letting me release it back onto his property, which is home to the main den site on his enormous acreage.
Because of this, I will be adding it to the main collection once it successfully completes a thorough quarantine period.
During this time I will be having fecals ran to see what turns up, however my local vet is somewhat difficult to deal with. He will perform fecals but refuses to see venomous, prescribe medication, or give dosage recommendations.
Having said this, I keep Panacur and Flagyl on hand, however have no idea of dosage based on body weight for Crotalids. Any help would be greatly appreciated so I can hopefully get this little guy squared away and acclimated as soon as possible.
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RE: Panacur/Flagyl dosage for Crotalus horridus
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by choppergreg74 on June 5, 2014
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Well I would not treat him unless he regurgitates. Or see any signs he's loosing weight. I'd you go to a local Agway they sell something called safeguard for horses. It's a paste in a tube. I have never heard of overdosing. Put a little on the rodents tail. Like an eraser tip of a pencil. You will be fine. Treat once a week for 3 weeks. I never had a problem in 20 plus years. But honestly if you are keeping the tank clean and changing water regularly. Not leaving feces in the water bowl you shouldn't need to treat.
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RE: Panacur/Flagyl dosage for Crotalus horridus
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by agkistrodude on June 5, 2014
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Safeguard for goats is liquid in the correct concentration. In the book, "Understanding Reptile Parasites", they say no overdoses occurred with up to 5000 times the recommended dosage. The stuff is pretty safe, I've been using it for years. The recommended dosage for Flagyl is 150 mg/kg PO weekly, Panacur is 50 - 100 mg/kg PO rep in 2-3 wks, per Melissa Kaplan @ http://www.anapsid.org/resources/rxdose.html Take Care, Marty
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by Nakita on June 5, 2014
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Thanks gentlemen!
I don't typically do a "shotgun" approach when it comes to treating my animals, hence the fecal being done to determine what might be required. Once the results are in I will determine whether or not to proceed with addressing the parasitic load.
I truly wish the fellow who dropped it off would allow me to put it back where it belongs but he is still adamant about not letting it loose on his property. I have half a mind to hike up the backside of the mountain and release it from there, but worry that if he sees me back there with my hook and snake bucket he will know precisely what I am doing.
I just hope the critter takes to captivity since the thought of it withering away simply because it was in the wrong place, at the wrong time, doesn't sit well with me. All of the Timbers I have worked with in captivity have been CBB animals and were trouble free. Not sure how a half grown WC is going to settle in, but I hope it is similar to the WC Copperheads I have kept on occasion. Those typically take prey eagerly and adapt quite well. Let's hope this fellow follows the same course.
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by agkistrodude on June 6, 2014
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Most W/C horridus I've worked with did well in captivity. Some need a little time to acclimate to their surroundings, but then they usually do fine. Make sure it has a good hide or 2. Good luck! Marty
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by Nakita on July 1, 2014
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Just wanted to check in and give an update.
The little Timber is doing fine and seems to have settled in quite well. Defensive postures have decreased and rattling is non existent unless severely startled. In addition, the little one struck and ate a F/T white mouse the very first time I offered one.
I still have one more preventative mite treatment to go and then I get to move on to actually using an aesthetically pleasing substrate and cage furnishings.
I also have the Prazequental, Flagyl, and Panacur on hand, but I'm still on the fence about proceeding. My vet declined doing a fecal when asked what animal it came from, and it appears to be doing so well I wonder if there is truly a need. The cage is kept spotless and the water is changed daily, so hopefully the little one will continue to thrive without having to treat a possible non issue
Thanks for reading and I am truly thankful that my update was able to be a positive one!
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by agkistrodude on July 1, 2014
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Glad to hear it! You might try another vet. Or tell him/her it's for a boa instead of a rattlesnake. You can do them yourself with an inexpensive microscope. Plenty of info out there to tell you how to do it and what to look for. The book I mentioned above is one source. Or, just dose a F/T rodent with some Panacur before you feed it. It won't hurt it. I do mine every year, and every snake I take in while it's in quarantine. Take Care, Marty
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by Nakita on July 1, 2014
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Thanks Marty!
At one time I had a microscope and a copy of Understanding Reptile Parasites, however it seems I never quite got the hang of it. What I thought I was positively identifying was wrong and I was quite rudely informed of that when I tested my findings against the findings from the Vet, using the same animal's feces.
I truly wish someone lived close by who could instruct me in real life, instead of trying to decipher what I'm looking at under the scope.
Anyways, thanks again for your replies!
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by Nakita on July 19, 2014
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Now I'm getting a little worried.
It's been 19 days since it ate and he has refused to eat again. In addition, he still has not defecated from the first meal. I am very concerned, almost to the point of obsession, that he is going to continue to refuse food and waste away.
I have tried another F/T weanling mouse, F/T adult mouse, live mouse, F/T chick, and the animal either becomes extremely agitated or simply slithers away from it.
I initially overestimated his size, and after measuring found it closer to being a little over 2 1/2ft. Weight is 309 grams. Does this sound about right or would the little guy be considered underweight for his size?
The animal doesn't appear thin to me, however it doesn't have the really thick girth like I am accustomed to seeing when I find them afield. The ones I typically find are 3 1/2 - 4ft and quite heavy bodied, and since I've never seen one this small in the wild I'm not quite sure what to expect from one this small.
Setup is as follows:
36 in Neodesha
Aspen bedding
Temps - 74F - 86F (basking spot)
Hide on cool end and warm end (does not use either, but pushes the one on the warm side out of the way and coils up on the hot spot)
Various branches
Fresh water available at all times (have witnessed drinking in several occasions.
Subdued lighting through top vents (front is covered with a towel to prevent stress)
Any input would be appreciated as I am literally worrying myself sick. As mentioned in my first post, I cannot simply let it go due to the farmers request, otherwise I'd have already have set it free.
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by agkistrodude on July 19, 2014
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How many times did you treat with Panacur? The suggested dose is to repeat every 2 weeks 2 - 3 times.
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