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RE: Venom extraction
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by Buzztail1 on March 11, 2004
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I believe that anyone with enough skill can actually get venom from a snake (extraction).
Why would anyone want to buy venom unless they were doing some kind of venom research?
So, the people that are doing the research, that must have the aforementioned years of education, are accountable for the purity (as in lack of contaminants) of the venom they use in their research.
To ensure that they get that purity, the venom would have to be collected under the strictest protocols and most pristine conditions. To that end, they just don't buy venom from just anyone. To sell venom to a reputable lab, you would have to be able to provide venom in quantity (LOTS of snakes on a routine milking set-up) and prove that it was being collected under hospital-like conditions.
The cost of meeting these requirements are well beyond the financial capabilities of most (if not all) of the people who come here and ask about selling venom.
However, if you have the money to put together the sterile set-up, keep and feed the hundreds (if not thousands) of reptiles that you would require to meet the lab's minimum demand, and can routinely provide venom that meets the required purity standards, you are way beyond my level. Good luck to you.
Karl H. Betz
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by Phobos on March 12, 2004
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You certainly don't need a master degree to extract venom but it's helpful if you want to get into selling venom. No one want to buy any product by a fly by night company, so it comes down to accountability & creditability.
Accountability comes from the FDA & CITIES standards to be followed and reported. Creditability come from degrees, experience and reputation you earn in a given industry.
This is the reason that so few labs are in this market. It's an expensive operation to get started and maintain plus the government oversite is intense.
Domestic snake venom is really not worth the risks involved with obtaining it. Cottonmouth A. picivorus $142.60/gram*, 8-10 snakes would have to be milked to get your one gram of venom (dry weight).
Only rare elapid venoms are really worth serious $$. Most of them are from Aus. and the snakes cannot be exported.
Taipan (O. scutellatus) venom 1 Gram as sold to a research facility from a vendor would cost them about $16,000*+. The person risking there life would make far less than that and would have to milk 8-10 nice size Taipans to get the one gram. Oh what fun!!
If you really want to do this I suggest you get at least a 4 year degree in biochemistry, so the small business administration loan people might see you are serious and give you a loan for a few hundred thousand $$ for the lab equipment and facilities you'll need. Oh yeah...you'll need to bring a good business plan to get then to give you a loan.
These are the facts of life.
* Venom prices obtained from accredited vendor during the writing of the email.
Al
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by Fabian on March 12, 2004
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I see your point... It comes down to the facts of life any more. The more schooling you have the better off you will be. Years ago a man could make a living doing most anything. (NOT ANY MORE)If you have not had 8 or 10 years of schooling or are out of luck. I never realized just how far this has went till this trend. It is all in the politics any more. You have to have a hundred people paid off and happy to sell some snake venom. (people that to me is sad) No wonder the world is the way it is. Brother against brother. Well anyways, Thanks for the wake-up...........Fabian
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by Phobos on March 12, 2004
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Fabian:
No venom producer likes the rules and regulations by the FDA & CITIES this is mostly why smaller labs were driven out. However, standardization has produced a better product for researchers. Nobody wants to see someone get hurt needlessly.
Their are ways to make some $$ and help the plight of native reptiles. Start an educational program in your area by giving lectures. Show people that these animals don't want to waste their venom by biting (attacking) them, they only want to left alone to live their lives. Any of the TV herpetologists are fine examples of what I'm talking about. Start small and work you way up. Just focus you energies is this direction. Hard work and dedication does pay off, this is how many pioneers started without a fancy education. Bill Gates is not a college graduate, neither is Michele Dell. They both had a vision and worked hard to acheive it. History is full of these people, making something from nothing, It's up to you and it's never too late to start.
Good Luck,
Al
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by Fabian on March 12, 2004
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Hi Al,
You are right about one of the most important topics of herpetology, education.
I started Mississippi herpetology society almost two years ago. it is non-profit. I am not 501-c yet but I have not had much luck finding help here in my area.
Very few people in the deep south like snakes of any kind. The big motto here is the only good snake is a dead snake. "I hate that saying" But it is true...
This state is in need, in a big way of reptile education. 99.9 % of the people I know here would not just walk by a snake, they would have to stop and kill it. No snake gets across the road here.I am being bogged down by all the hatred toward reptiles here. I liked what you said about do the education, That has been one of the big plans I have had. your post just fueled that fire in me again... I have tried a raffle and lost my be-hind. But I am going to not give up on this. I am going to fight to make this education program work , and try to show these people just how important our reptiles are to us.... Thanks for your post Al, It help me see something I had almost gave up on........Fabian
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by Roy on September 26, 2006
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Does someone knows where to look for industry and market info about snake venom extraction
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by Bucks2009 on August 25, 2009
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Pretty interesting -- this message board hasn't been touched since 2004, but wanted to point everyone to http://www.Cobroxin.com -- it's been revived by a pharma company, Nutra Pharma (http://www.nutrapharma.com/newsroom/display.php?newsid=133)
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