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by TAIPAN78 on March 23, 2004
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Question for you Shane. What state are you in? Id be willing to bet my collection that there are qualifed and willing keepers within your state or with in reasonable driving distance which would be more then happy to show you the ropes if you presented your self maturly and without ego. You just have to be willing to look for them! Excepting that you are not the man in this hobby is the first step and you seem hard pressed to proove otherwise.
I personaly spent 5 yrs hitting the books and studing under qualified keepers before I even considered getting a copperhead! Then another 3 before I steped into elapids (Aspidelaps). I knew exactly what I was most interested in and took every step to be educated by the best. Even when it ment driving 1,200 miles to get supervised Naja handleing experince (granted I had other reasons for driving so far). Bottom line, when there is a will there is a way. If you really wanted to do things right then you would find the way.
BTW, your rant about AV being too expensive is not justified as if that wasnt obvious by now. A better complaint would be that the permit work involved is very difficult. Being considered an experimental drug by the FDA makes the permit process a (female dog:-)) but actualy affording the AV is not an issue unless we are speaking native sp to the US. Yet another uneducated lashing out. Do your homework!
No offense ment. Just being brutaly honest.
Regards,
Jeremy
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by stopgetinpopped on March 23, 2004
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notice on Jeremey's profile page.
His favorite species is Taipans.....is he jumping the gun to get some?
He also looks like a younger individual, Does he sound like an egotistical upstart?
No, he speaks intelligently and practically...... from experience! Which is how to survive to be an old, experienced, wise person!
There is something to be learned from him Shane, Chance, Fabian and others.
TaPhillip
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by Phobos on March 23, 2004
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Holy Smokes!! Everyone needs to take a step back and chill.
1) I think it is not good to air what amounts to personal oppinions about any persons using this forum, good or bad. Exchange email addresses if you have the need to get into some sort of pissing match.
2) In the military there are NCO who pass on wisdom & experience to new troops. They can pass on information that can save your life and keep you safe. The "so called experts" in this forum are acting as such and should keep to the basic simple facts. Several attempts were made to pass along VERY GOOD information but the additional "static" transmitted undermined the whole exercise. Blood was drawn and the fight was on. The whole lesson was lost!
3) Without vocal cues lost in the written word on this forum is is very easy to become confused and misinterperate the authors intent. So when you think your under attack, stop for a minute and think before acting. Anyone who handles hots knows what I'm talking about. If you act without thinking about the situation you may get bit.
4) Use your brain that the good lord has given you. SothernEmma had the very good sense to ask what was a good starter Hot Herp. Don't get in over your head by keeping something you are not experienced enough to handle. Even if you think your up to it...think about the other people in your house that will be exposed. I can live or die with the conquenses with what I keep in my collection. My first concern is for the others in the house. My worst case senario is someone else taking a hit of of one of my snakes in my collection. I always select something that another adult in the house can handle if an emergency comes up.
Lastly, Keep in mind that all of the cities & states we live in that permit us to keep these wonderful animals. The mistakes we make in private will become a public forum and we could lose the privelage of keeping hots. Politicians love these little easy laws to pass because it diverts attention away from all of the difficult tasks they have on their plates.
Best,
Al
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by elapidking81 on March 23, 2004
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look sorry to get all bent out of shape. i personally
dont have any thing to prove first of all and thats my whole point nobody here should have to prove or justify why they keep the snakes they do.what a person keeps is his buisness even though i dont like it. it doesnt give me the right to write something about another regardless of my personal feelings.
and my previous statement stands this not the kind of forum for this type of dicusion remember ask the experts.
and to southernemma i hope this doesnt dicourage you from this site or the shhs were nice guys and gals most of the time : )
one other thing it is said that you cant see of hear a persons feelings on the net so take them in to consideration . sorry if i have hurt any
shane kissinger
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by Fabian on March 23, 2004
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TAphillip and Rooftop01, How childish. You both are way out there. You know nothing about me ,Chance, or Shane yet you talk as if you lived right next to us. I do not know both of you in Fact I have never herd of you in till these post's. I have owned and kept a lot of venomous reptiles. And I know a lot about them. I have never owned a coral snake. Nor have I even read much about them. And as posted in the other trends there is web sites that say they are a rear fanged snake. Just because I do not know one thing about one kind of snake does not mean I do not know anything about venomous reptiles. It is people like you that give herping a bad name. People hate to ask anything because they will get slapped down by people like you. There for they do not ask anything and end up doing something wrong and hurting, or killing a reptile. It is just to bad there has to be people like you out there to deal. We would be so much better off with out you. At least we could ask something with out the worry of being put down. (THAT IS SAD DUDE) Also Chance, and Shane are some of the best people you could ever meet. And when it comes to helping others. They have always been there to answer any thing they could. With out being an as* about it. In fact they are always very nice in doing so. You do not know anything about me and There for you have no (NO) room to say anything about me. You both need to get a real life. And learn to be nice to others..........Fabian Ihrke,
(Mississippi herpetology society)
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by stopgetinpopped on March 24, 2004
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Fabian,
In truth I have been very nice and civil. My first statement was "we could flame this or read and learn".
I am not attacking you or anyone else, in fact I complimented you.
You say you come to these places to learn, I in fact was giving you sound advice. It is up to you whether or not you choose to listen to it. Thats the problem, is no one is willing to listen.
My point with all of you was simple. There are steps to take to get where you say you are, owning King Cobras and Green Mambas. I'm not attacking you when I say you have not taken the steps to get there. I'm merely giving you some sound advice. As you need some good advice from a good source.
The other point I made was that people on these forums answer questions when they themselves should be asking questions. Too many people have become experts on opinions and baseless experience.
Not Reptiles.
It is too easy to hide behind your computer screen and attempt to portray oneself as an "expert" But what is written always gives it away. no one is fooling or impressing anyone else.
I'm not saying I am that "expert" but I do happen to know a thing or two.
I say again, I am giving some sound advice. Reread my original post Fabian, read it with an open mind and learn something that is valuable and will do you a lot of good in the future.
TaPhillip
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by Fabian on March 24, 2004
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Stopgetinpopped, My friend you have me really wondering how you are ? How did you get to where you could give such advice ? You put me down for not knowing that a coral snake was front fagged. There are several web sites that say they are rear fagged. I have not studied them at all. There for I do not know anything about them. I would rather spend my time learning about a reptile I was going to keep as to learn about one I was not thinking of keeping. You talk as if you are god of the reptile world. And If you say something people have to hear and do just as you say or they will be doing it wrong. I have kept venomous snakes for 4-5 years now. Why can I not own and keep the snakes I feel good about keeping ? Because you say I am not ready for them ? That does not work for me buddy. If I see a venomous snake I might like to own, I go right to my search bar and begin to learn all I can about that animal. The real learning comes from taking care of that animal. I do not care how many of one kind of reptile you buy They all have there own needs. Each and every one. So, just because I do not know something about one snake does not mean I do not know a lot about another. And it sure does not mean I should not keep any of them. If that were the case no one should keep any of them. Knowing a coral snake is a front fagged snake is not a snakes 101 lesson in less you are going to keep them.........Fabian
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by Chance on March 29, 2004
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Wow, glad I didn't notice this thread until now. I must say, I agree with Shane 100% in that this thread has absolutely no right being in this forum. Like it was mentioned, for personal assaults, take it privately via e-mail. Terry, I realize you did not intend for this to be a flame war, but honestly, what did you expect it to turn into? You can not go and personally call out one or two people and degrade them with your personal opinions of them and not expect to have some sort of negative reaction. I'm just glad I only found this just now, as otherwise I might have been more tempted to actually respond in the manner that this thread deems necessary. Terry, I agree with you wholeheartedly on your main issues about responsibility and ability. I won't deny that fact. Of course it is always better to carry one's own personal supply of AV, have a mentor, etc etc etc, yet in many cases these things become out of reach. Most likely, within the next number of months, I will maintain my own supply of Taipan CSL, if things pan out right. I have a sneaking suspicion though, that even when I do have it, it still will not stop certain others (maybe not yourself, but others) from still deeming me unfit to care for these snakes. As for the boomslang comment, I would imagine you've worked with at least one or two before, so you should know better about that. Yeah they're hotter than a firecracker, but I've yet to encounter a single typus that I've feared posed any threat in actually biting me. But anyway, like I said, by and large I completely agree with you, I just of course think you have the wrong impression of me. Hopefully one of these days I'll be able to make it up to your institution and actually get to speak with you one on one. I think you might be surprised.
As for Dr. Ed...man, where did you come from? I've never seen your name anywhere, certainly not on this forum. You are a PhD yet you make cracks like you're in the 8th grade. Not the sharpest knife in the cabinet? Did I read you correctly there?? Out of all the people on this and many other public forums that can't even spell common words correctly, much less common or Latin names of their snakes, you would actually make that comment about me? Lol. Well first, not a one of your posts belong in this forum. They are nothing but inflammatory, plain and simple. For two, I would expect much more mature text coming from an older PhD. What exactly have I done to you to enable you to have such a bright and shiny opinion of me? Not a thing, not one, period. Maybe you should focus your efforts on your work. Maybe you could actually do something productive then, and who knows, maybe even then people would begin to recognize your name. I would hate to think that you earned your title for nothing more than having the word Dr. in front of your mindless mudslinging.
Ah well, none of this is ever going to end. I've become quite convinced of that. No matter how simplistic a person can word a responce to something, and no matter how factually correct that responce might be, there will always be some jerk waiting in the wind to give himself a self-esteem boost. Fabian, Shane, I'm sure the both of you can attest to that very well. Regardless of that fact, however, I'm not going to stop posting my questions and answering others' questions if it is in my ability to do so. A wise number of people have told me over the years, "the only bad question is the one not asked." Would you all rather have people out there just making blind assumptions and guesses because they are too scared to ask on the appropriate forums? Well guess what, that's what you have. I can almost guarantee you that there have been many people that aren't willing to post either here or on kingsnake for fear of the negative thrashing they risk receiving. It's pathetic really, but nothing new. Hot keepers = hot heads? Surely not...lol. Until next time...
-Chance Duncan
http://www.rivervalleysnakes.com
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by taipan_nuts on March 29, 2004
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Chance,
Does it matter that you know me? A person describes themselves in their posts, as stated earlier. This especially goes for you, too. Nobody twists your words around like you suggest. People get angry with you and call the shots like they see them. Here is a statement from you to rayhoser on Friday March 26.
Interesting. I've never kept any of the Pseudonaja or Pseudechis, so I can't speak from a personal standpoint, though I have spoken with a few people who have kept or keep them. They all attested to the snakes' nasty attitudes and difficulty in handling. Of the three specimens of O. s. canni that I've kept, none of them have lived up to their reputation. The 7' male I had last year, despite being a recent import and more than a little nervous around people, was never any problem when being handled. These youngs ones aren't either, and are easily hooked and tailed or simply hooked. I must admit, it did surprise me somewhat to see how well they would ride a hook. If you see them in the enclosure, the speed at which they move would suggest otherwise. Anyway, thanks for the interesting points.
-Chance"
You have seen the snakes move. Indeed they are fast. I keep 1 juvenile now. I use a small shiftbox on him for even routine cleaning. I can touch it if need be but but don't because i don't need to. I never touch it unless I have to. Your canni just haven't become airborne yet. Your day is coming, and it will scare the hell out of you to if they get closer than you would like. I also suggest that you adopt a shift box procedure-persuade your snakes to venture into it. This is much safer even for the smallest ones. Having more experience with venomous snakes would have spelled that out for you. You need to be as careful as possible if you are planning on using someone else's serum. That's two butts on the line.......not one. You sound like a keeper playing with the lion at the zoo. Grow up!
In your last post:
As for the boomslang comment, I would imagine you've worked with at least one or two before, so you should know better about that. Yeah they're hotter than a firecracker, but I've yet to encounter a single typus that I've feared posed any threat in actually biting me.
Chance, all typus will bite. It is statements like this which are provoking. Who else talks like this? Do you not believe in what you say? How can I be turning your words around on you now? One can only speculate on your demeanor as you play with your snakes. You should respect the docile animals equally, if not more. D. typus can move when they want to, and ALL herpetologists, who have been bitten probably didn't see it coming either. Indeed, they are toxic. An envenomated bite means you are in deep ka-ka.
Nobody has slung personal assaults, except Shane in reference to 2 school girls. It only shows that he's hurting lol. Your receptiveness to constructive criticism leaves a great deal to be desired, Chancy. You have consistantly debate topics in which numerous others have offered you criticism often persuading you to do something you didn't want to do. There are those, such as myself that question your maturity and your cognitive ability to understand that you may be biting off more than you can chew (even if you had serum). "Satan's Spawn?" Who the hell???? lol
"You're not playing with a full deck of cards, are you?
Un no. No sir, I don't play cards." Police Academy II
Dr. Edward Jay Freyaldenhoven
University of Texas/Biological Sciences
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by Chance on March 31, 2004
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I must say, it is certainly flattering that I seem to have so many loyal 'followers' ("I've been following your posts for quite some time now" etc) that hang on every word I say. I guess, if I wanted to, I could consider that a compliment...lol, or at least use it in my favor when amassing power to rule the world (that was a joke). Dr. Ed, your attempts at personal degradation and witticism are a joke. You sound more like a candidate for a high school diploma than a PhD.
-Chance
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