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by polgara24326 on April 17, 2004
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Finally, it says I can post a question now. My granddaughter wants to know if a venomous snake bit itself would it die? She is 9 years old.
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by Chance on April 19, 2004
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I wouldn't necessarily say that the snake itself or another of the same species it bit would always be fine. There are quite a few reports of bad side effects from self-envenomation, though I've heard of no deaths. There are definitely reports of fatalities due to one snake biting the same of another species. To give an example, rinkhals spitting cobras (Hemachatus haemachatus) is well known for killing each other during copulation. Evidently both males and females will do this, though usually it is the male killing the female. I believe it is on this site, there is an article written by Susan Hunter about her rinkhal male killing the female during copulation. They tend to bite each other and evidently don't control the output of venom very well. I've had an amelanistic monocled cobra (Naja kaouthia) male bite the female I introduced him to for breeding (he evidently wasn't interested in breeding at the time), and she exhibiting some local swelling but it went down fairly quickly. Had she not been much large than he was (she was around 5.5' and he was around 4') I wouldn't have been surprised if more of an effect would have happened. MsTT on the kingsnake venomous forum posted a string of pictures a number of months ago about an Egyptian cobra (Naja haje) having self-envenomated and the treatment they had to give the snake. Due to the severity of the wound and absess, if they hadn't treated it, there was probably a good chance that the snake would have died. Then there are accounts of elapids and occasionally even viperids eating members of their own species. Since these snakes do not typically use constriction, one can only assume that venom has to play a role in at least subduing the animal being eaten. I had two young black and white spitters (Naja siamensis) in the same enclosure for a short time, and came home one day to find one fat little snake. So, it doesn't happen all the time or even slightly frequently, but it certainly can happen. I hope this helped a little.
-Chance
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by vemon on April 19, 2004
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Recently I had a Atheris squamiger (juv) bite and envenomate its cage mate (another squam.) right on the head. The squam's head swelled up and he didn't look very happy but after five days all effects from the bite had subsided.
TKS Ben D. Vanecek
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Anonymous post on April 19, 2004
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TOO MUCH AN ANSWER FOR A SIMPLE QUESTION! VENOM DOES NOT WORK ON EACH OTHER PERIOD! PUNCTURING ORGANS IS CORRECT AND OF COURSE SOME SPECIES WILL CONSUME THE SMALLER OF THE SAME SPECIES, BUT NOT WITH IT'S VENOM, BUT SURVIVAL OF THE STRONGER.
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Anonymous post on April 19, 2004
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Anonymous- You sound pretty sure of yourself. Can you direct us to some literature? thanks
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by Chance on April 19, 2004
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First Anonymous, your assertion is completely false. Venom very much works on individuals of the same species, just like it would work on anything else. How else could you explain swelling and other such effects caused by self-envenomation or one animal envenomating another?
-Chance
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by cottonmouth on April 19, 2004
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Bite yourself and see if it doesn't swell. Anonymous is quite right in what he says. I have had as many as 30 cottons in one cooler for removal and all the while bitting the piss out of each other with no effects.
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Anonymous post on April 19, 2004
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OF COURSE BITING YOUSELF IS GOING TO CAUSE SOME POSSIBLE DAMAGE, BUT THAT IS DUE TO THE FANGS AND POSSIBLE BACTERIA, NOT VENOM. IT'S NO BIG DEAL TO BE WRONG. WE ARE ALL SUBJECT TO ERROR!
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