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by Trex on May 6, 2004
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As I read the posts here, on other boards and newsgroups, I’m surprised at the animosity between fellow keepers of hots. A new guy comes on, asks a question, gets the cold shoulder by everyone, then when he gets tagged because no one really helped him he gets ripped up by a lynch mob for ruining the reputation of good, responsible keepers. But when he tried to be good, responsible and all, he is turned away. Irrespective of him knowing “before” he acquired the hot, shouldn’t we try to educate and help out rather than greet him with such distain? This is a rhetorical question, not aimed at anyone here in particular or at this board/site.
Take for instance the guy in PA, Brad, that was just bitten by the N. Kaouthia. He was ceremoniously ripped apart on boards as being irresponsible and unfit to keep hots. Fact is, Brad is regarded as an expert breeder and has been for years. If he’s unfit, how more so is everyone else? It would have been nice to see a show of support, not kicking the man when he’s down. And the examples go on…
I don’t know, the general arrogance is so prominent across the boards that you have to wonder how much stronger we would be as a sub culture if we worked together more instead of trying so hard to impress others by one-upping everyone who posts? Maybe I’m just naïve, but I see someone like Dr Fry (who is arguably the best of the best), and his board members treat everyone with respect and courtesy. Too bad the rest of the community wasn’t as congenial in regards to educating and helping out.
Excuse the vent, just felt the need.
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by roadkruzer on May 6, 2004
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I agree. Very well said. I believe some people get carried away and let their feelings get hurt when they hear of an "irresponsible hot keeper" getting bit. This is probably because someone else's mistakes could at some point jeopardize their ability to legally own hots. I would like to see more straight forward answers and a little less arrogance on this site. You can give advice and criticism in a way that educates a person and builds them up or degrades a person and tears them down. Isn't the SHHS slogan "EDUCATION & CONSERVATION"?I enjoy telling people about snakes and trying to change their negative views of them. And, because I do not know "everything" about snakes like some others here may or may not to pretend to, I sometimes am tempted to post questions but don't in order to avoid getting blasted. ---Something to think about---There are no dumb questions, just some very stupid answers.
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by wcoley on May 6, 2004
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This guy is right. We all have a tendency to jump on someone's case when they get any animal that they are not prepared to deal with. I'm not saying they don't deserve some scolding, but we should all be mature enough to give the scolding AND then give the person the advice or answers that they need. This will benefit both the keeper and the herp alot more. We all love this site because its purpose to educate, not condem, and we need to remember that. Myself included.
Will
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by RepFan on May 6, 2004
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Trex,Jason,and Shane,
I agree with you all. I have thought the same thing myself while reading over the asks the experts section. As some you have stated the S.H.H.S. mission statement is "Education and Conservation", but please bear in mind that the flames and questionable replies are not from site members but yet mostly posted by the anonymous. This site is a public forum and thus some of public misuse the intentions of it's creation. Please in the future if you see something posted that is questionable report it to our site manager and the follow it up with a proper reply to let the one posting the question know that there are sensible people here that are willing to help the inexperienced gain the tools and skills needed in this rewarding yet inherently dangerous hobby.Keep up the good fight.
Later,
Todd
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by Phobos on May 6, 2004
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Hi All:
You all are correct and make very good points. Most of the flames get fanned by the anonymous crowd who cowardly hide behind this over used cover. If you don't have anything constructive to say, don't say anything.
Nobody's perfect and statically speaking; some of us are gonna take a hit. Just the risky nature of keeping hots. Rather riping your "collegue" learn from the circumstances surrounding the accident.
Karl (buzztail1) has on many occasions delt with the de-tractors and defended the "newbee's" on this site asking or answering questions. He can't be everywhere all of the time because the nature of his profession, so it's up to us to politely and professionally carry on in a positive way.
Best,
Al Coritz
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by IanG on May 7, 2004
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Well My Two Pence is:
I find the majority of the folks on here helpful and friendly, although I get pissed that no-one anwsers some of my Posts I fully understand I am probably asking bone questions they have anwsered a hundred times before..But as a Rule when I post something that is genuinely interesting I get lots of anwsers, though i have to admit you tend to get the same people anwsering,which is good, but maybe more of you guys could get Involved and post\anwser questions from guys like me who dont keep snakes but are still fascinated by them..As far the hammering people get for being " Irresponsible" when they get bit or whatever, I suppose its like everything, people say and react to things without knowing all the facts, someone who can see both points of view is always slow to anger and therefore usually a tad wiser...
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by Buzztail1 on May 7, 2004
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It IS sad to see questions go unanswered but I honestly believe that the majority of the questions that go unanswered are ones that the majority of us don't know the answer to.
Like:
"Where is a good spot in Maryland to photograph wild Copperheads?" - (I have no idea)
I try not to chime in unless I am needed to moderate or if I have a legitimate answer to the question.
Most "bone questions" generally get answered even if the tone of the answer is not what you might prefer to get in return. People tend to forget that they didn't come out of the womb knowing everything - someone had to help them get the information that they now hoard even if the help was just teaching them to read.
The worst is watching someone trash a newcomer for their spelling/diction/language use and knowing just by cursory review of syntax that they are not a native english speaker. Way too many enlish speaking people come in here and can't spell "help, herp, or happiness" to allow ridicule of someone asking for help in a language not their own. I try to get to and delete those posts before they go too far.
In fact, I was kind of watching for someone to slam BGF for spelling "honours" with a "u" (the original way I learned to spell it) but I guess no-one focused on it (which is good).
Be of good cheer ... be of good health ... and be nice to one another ... you never know who will actually come through and answer the question you really need to have answered.
Karl H. Betz
PS Thanks for the kind words Al, perhaps we will eventually meet at a show or something. KHB
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by elapidking81 on May 8, 2004
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I will be the first to admit that i have be involed in some mud slinging with others here and i have come to realized that the way a person handles an other person posting things about them is a refection on that persons maturity. the childish behvior is unacceptable and should not be tolerated. and i am ashamed at the fact that i allowed them to get to me and i will try to think be for i post a nonsense come back, when we all need to. just let it go, and thank you buzztail for stopping that one post it was a real wake up call. you and others, have so far set a very good example, hopefully we all can learn from the example that you and others have set. and something i have noticed also is that most of the young herpers here have took the harsh critisizim very well and have handled them selves with a great sense of maturity, and that lets me know that they will grow to be responsable herpers some day. JUST MY OBSERVATION
Thank You,
Shane
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by 91C2 on May 14, 2004
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This is a topic I have tried to bring up many times. Remember the lady bit by the copperhead and just wanted to go to bed?????? She got slammed by what was supposed to be a 16 year old kid.
The most important thing everyone must remember is the hobby lives in peril already. Inner fighting, fussing, and flaming will mark the end of it all.
Like everyone else, I have seen some baffling questions, legit questions and some down right weird ones, too. If you don't know the answer, say nothing. If you feel you must make a post about a question or comment, and you don't know the correct answer, just say something like " I don't know, but would like to see an answer myself."
If you see something wrong or amiss about a question or comment, firing off with "are you retarded?" isn't helping anyone. It only makes the person responding look bad and hurts the other peron and the hobby.
Ever heard the saying " a time to shut up"? Use it.
I quit coming here for a very long time because of the general attitude some folks have. The self rightous, know it all, flame everyone people are driving many from this board and into the unknown.
Help people, not hurt them
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