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Hottest north american snakes 1-10
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by levi3 on May 25, 2004
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Would some one lay out the top 10 hottest snakes in north america Start with # 1 being the hottest and 10 being the mildest.
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by timberrattlesnake89 on May 25, 2004
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I would say from the most toxic to the less would be
1. Mojave Rattlesnake
2. Neotropical Rattlesnake
3. Southern Pacific Rattlesnake
4. Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake
5. Red Rattlesnake
6. Western Diamondback Rattlesnake
7. Timber Rattlesnake
8. Water Moccasin
9. Pigmy Rattlesnake
10. Copperhead
I would say this list would be the most likely to kill you to the less likely to kill you.
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Phillip
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by Phobos on May 25, 2004
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Hey Phillip...
Where do Coral snakes fit in?? They certainly should be on the list somewhere. Good job at the list overall.
Best,
Al
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by elapidking81 on May 26, 2004
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the red rattlesnake do you mean the red diamond rattlesnake (c.ruber ruber) or another rattlesnake
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by Chance on May 26, 2004
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That is a pretty decent list, however a couple of things need to be addressed. First, the tiger rattlesnake (C. tigris) is our most toxic native venomous animal, period. Taking a look at Dr. Bryan Fry's site venomdoc.com, you can see his list of LD50s and see the tiger rattler at an LD50 of 0.21. Our coral snake, M. fulvius, resides at an LD50 of 1.3. The smaller the number, the hotter the animal. Therefore, the tiger rattler is quite a bit more toxic than the coral, and a decent bit more toxic than the Mojave rattler, which has an LD50 of 0.34. Also, the timber rattler has an LD50 of 3.1 compared to atrox's rather huge 18.5. While atrox may be more inclined to bite than horridus, I'd rather take a bite from an atrox over horridus any day.
Lastly, since the term North America does encompass Mexico, I believe one must include snakes found there as well. Since terciopelos (Bothrops asper) are found in southern Mexico, I'd say they would rank right up there with any of the top two or three. Anyway, just wanted to add my $0.02 I suppose.
-Chance
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Anonymous post on May 26, 2004
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#1 CORAL
#2MOJAVE
#SOUTHERN PACIFIC OR TIGER/DROP FOR DROP.
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by Phobos on May 26, 2004
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Hi All:
Interesting exersize but for what end? They are all nasty snakes to get chomped by, so why get all worked up into a frenzy. It's like being a ground zero during a nuclear attack and saying..hmmmm was that 100KT or 1 MT...it really doesn't matter cuz your dead or seriously hurting. The doc that takes care of you in the ER when you present youself does not want to hear what the LD50 for mice. Or it's the 3rd hottest snake in North America.
All the LD50 data says is what dose is required to kill half of an "experimental" population of Mice when administered in a certain way. In the real world it does not apply and is sort of meaningless, there are just too many variables when an actual human bite occurs. Besides the data is from Mice not Human which further brings into question it's relationship to what the Human LD50 might be. Although there seem to be quite a few Mice that post anonymously on this website. It is for their benefit?? I'm all for debate and experimental science but it should have some value in the end.
Al
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by tj on May 26, 2004
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Chance,
I believe we actually agree on something, I'd rather take a bite from an atrox than a horridus as well. I think many people underestimate just how dangerous a horridus bite can be, whether it's by one with neurotoxic or hemo venom.
Out of the list he has, if we were to include Mexico, I would have to say in my opinion, a bite from a neotropical rattlesnake would be the most dangerous by far. Hell, I think I'd even take a bite from an asper before a bite from a neo, especially out in the field with no vents nearby.
-tj
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