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by CottonmouthKyle on June 23, 2004
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We havnt been in a situation where we needed to use it but we have heard it works. Has anyone ever used it after a bite and it help.
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by copperheadkid15 on June 23, 2004
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Well, I think it is like this. Even if it doesn’t suck out a enough venom to really help it can help. How?
When I think back over my life the worst I ever felt was when I watched my mom get beat. Why, because I was to young to fight the grown man hitting her. ( when I was about ten a man hit her and I snapped. I fought him as hard as I could, I went unconcis and when I woke up I had a bad cut on my head. He had a busted jaw) The point of me tell this is that I feel the worst feeling is hopelessness. When most people get bitten by a snake they feel hapless and worried, this causes the heart to pump faster. If the person feels they are doing something to help and are in power its easier to stay calm. I feel the extractor helps you stay calm so even If it did not remove venom it still helps.
Just my two cents. Randy
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by Phobos on June 23, 2004
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Randy:
Quite a story. Sorry you had the misfortune of that experience. I was not sure at first where you were going but in the end you made your point clear. Nice job.
Remember!! Prevention is always better than the cure, whatever it may be. Don't get bit and you need not find out if they work or not.
Extractors are still one of those "unknowns". It's really hard to get a true value on the effectiveness because of the many variables when snake bites man. Dr. Joseph Gennario did some radioactive venom injections on lab animals years ago with mixed results. Viperid venoms injected could be removed by this method in part, however, Elapid venom was not succeptable to extraction. Maybe one of our resident professionals can comment on whether this experiment was repeated with modern techniques. On the other hand one would think it should not hurt the situation as long as you make no incisions that were common in years past. I would not use it with an Elapid bite but would use a pressure bandage instead to buy more time to get to a hospital. Would I use it?? Don't think so unless there was better data on the subject.
Good Luck...be safe
Al
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by Buzztail1 on June 24, 2004
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The new book set The Venomous Reptiles of the Western Hemisphere has an interesting photo pair.
It has two photos of pigs feet, both injected with a known amount of venom. To one foot they applied the Venom Extractor and to the other, they didn't.
Guess which one has necrosis and tissue damage!
Yep. The Extractor foot.
Pretty amazing.
As helpful or not as the extractor may be, the very best thing you can do for youself upon being bitten by a venomous reptile is to seek competent medical attention. That isn't always the doctor on call at the local hospital but he is invariably better for you than laying on the couch and waiting for the symptoms of envenomation to subside.
Just personal observation,
Karl
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by Dadee on June 24, 2004
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Dr. Sean Bush from Loma Linda ER, also has the same point, that necrosis has been observed at the sight of placement of the "extractor". Karl, typically, gave you the correct information, seek medical help as soon as possible. Yet another observation.
Matt
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by Phobos on June 24, 2004
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Today I reviewed the current "Antivenom Index" listing location and kinds of Antivenoms stocked at Zoo's around the USA. Since hospitals stock domestic A-V they mostly deal with exotics. Among other interesting tidbits they had bite protocols that zoo's adopt & adapt to use if a keeper were to be bitten. I did not see the "extractor" mentioned at all in any of them.
Best,
Al
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