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Pantherophis or Elaphe
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by bush_viper17 on September 13, 2004
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Hi. Im wondering if Rat Snakes are now in the genus Pantherophis instead of Elaphe. I read a few things that said that they are, but I want to hear from you guys also. Thank You.
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by Chance on September 13, 2004
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All North American ratsnakes have been placed into the genus Pantherophis, but good luck getting people to actually use it. Herpers can be so conservative with taxonomy, always resisting change. Just take a look at "canebrake" rattlesnakes, which have been taxonomically invalid for what, 20-30 years? The Asian ratsnakes are now what make up Elaphe.
-Chance
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by bush_viper17 on September 13, 2004
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Thank you. Thats what I thought. I was telling someone today that they were in the genus Pantherophis and they didnt agree so I asked to make sure for myself before I told anyone else. I still say Elaphe but when I write about them I write Pantherophis.
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by Snake17 on September 14, 2004
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Elaphe: quatuorlineata sauromates, schrencki, dione and others
Zamenis: longissimus, hohenackeri, situla etc.
Coluber: North American Coluber constrictor only
Hemorrhois: hippocrepis, ravergieri, nummifer
Hierophis:viridiflavus, gemonensis, jugularis, caspius etc.
Platyceps: najadum, rubriceps, rhodorachis etc.
Pantherophis: guttatus, obsoletus, vulpinus, bairdi
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by Snakeman1982 on September 15, 2004
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The paper that confirmed there to be no subspecies in horridus was Clark, Al Savitsky, Bill Brown, et. al. 2003 Journal of Herpetology 37{1}: 145-154. The first paper on the subject saying there was no canebrake was 30 years ago but few held to that so the subspecies was still considered valid by many.
Elaphe revision towards Pantherophis
2002 Russian Journal of Herpetology 9 {2}: 105-124. I haven't read this one. It is written entirely by Russian scientists.
Don't forget Coluber mormon (its own species now) or the genera Senticolis and Bogertophis
For systematic changes it is always good to wait about two years. If the name sticks, then start using it.
Chance, Are you going to make it to the Arkansas Meeting?
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by Chance on September 15, 2004
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Robert, unfortunately they keep choosing times which I cannot make. I will have work Friday, a football game Saturday which the band will have to play for, and work Sunday. Ah well, I'll make it to some of the ones next year I'm sure. I'm just incredibly busy this semester, so it tends to get tough at times to do the things I want to do....lol.
-Chance
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